Does RoR can beat down Struts+Hibernate?

[gao zhixin]

Or just another framework?

[Roy Ben Ami]

Look at the previous thread here that asks if RoR is just a hype.

I think RoR is a nice looking framework, but Java is still my preffered web development programming language.

I see no reason why to embrace this framework (especially when it requires learning the Ruby language - which is terrible).

Now let the wars begin

[Lasse Koskela]

Originally posted by gao zhixin:
Can RoR beat Struts+Hibernate?

Yes, in some aspects. No, in others. It's like comparing apples to oranges unless you make the comparison in an actual context.

Originally posted by Roy Ben Ami:
the Ruby language - which is terrible

Not wanting to start a language war, I'll just state that I find Ruby to be a nicer language compared to Java. There's no point in arguing about personal preferences.

[Michael Duffy]

Originally posted by gao zhixin:
Or just another framework?

I think even Ruby afficionadoes would admit that Ruby and Rails aren't up to the Java EE standard in areas like security, clustering, high throughput, etc. And I see a great deal of Java influence in Rails (e.g., Rake versus Ant, testing from JUnit, front controller for the web app, etc.) Rails didn't lick this off the grass.

Try Trails and/or Grails as a Java EE equivalent for Rails. Those would suggest that Java and EE and learn from other approaches just as they've learned from Java.

It does look like a great way to develop web apps quickly. I think they've put a great deal of thought into conventions that help. I like the agile features they've built-in (e.g., TTD).

There's no reason why the world can't have co-existing tools. C++ hasn't gone away; neither has COBOL and FORTRAN.

[Michael Duffy]

Originally posted by gao zhixin:
Or just another framework?

Besides, who annointed Struts as THE web UI framework?

[gao zhixin]

I have try to use RoR today, I found it really make the web program fun, that how easy! But in J2EE, there is a lot of configuration XML file I must write, maintain...

[Karthik Guru]

Originally posted by gao zhixin:
I found it really make the web program fun, that how easy! But in J2EE, there is a lot of configuration XML file I must write, maintain...

If configuration files is what you hate and want to have fun doing swing-like
development for the web , then you will love wicket

Update: This is not an attempt at hijacking the thread though
[ February 06, 2006: Message edited by: Karthik Guru ]

[gao zhixin]

It's too new, No IDE supports it now...

[Karthik Guru]

Originally posted by gao zhixin:
It's too new, No IDE supports it now...

No its not. It has a stable 1.1.1 release and 1.2 should be out shortly.
Its just plain vanilla HTML and Java. Either way, eclipse support is in the works

[dema rogatkin]

Where can I get information about RoR? I'm working on own framework, but maybe I'm wasting time.

[Ernest Friedman-Hill]

Originally posted by dema rogatkin:
Where can I get information about RoR?

www.rubyonrails.org

[Michael Duffy]

Originally posted by dema rogatkin:
Where can I get information about RoR? I'm working on own framework, but maybe I'm wasting time.

Wasting your time, indeed.

With Rails, Grails, Trails, Spring, AppFuse and a thousand others, why does the world need another? What is compelling about yours?