Timothy Stone, MIT, SCJP
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Timothy Stone, MIT, SCJP
http://www.petmystone.com/
"This Satan's drink [coffee] is so delicious, we shall cheat Satan and baptize it." --Pope Clement the VIII (1592-1605)
I examined JSF, found it lacking, and moved on.
Timothy Stone, MIT, SCJP
http://www.petmystone.com/
"This Satan's drink [coffee] is so delicious, we shall cheat Satan and baptize it." --Pope Clement the VIII (1592-1605)
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
I want something simple, simple, simple that doesn't get in my way.
JSF is highly customizeable, don't forget about that ;) For example, you can change the HTML renderkit or even create your own.
For extranet use with a big eye on the HTML/CSS structure, you'd better to go off with PHP and hand-written HTML.
Timothy Stone, MIT, SCJP
http://www.petmystone.com/
"This Satan's drink [coffee] is so delicious, we shall cheat Satan and baptize it." --Pope Clement the VIII (1592-1605)
Originally posted by Cameron W. McKenzie:
Isn't JSF supposed to be the Struts killer? Is it really lacking? What's the smart alternative? AJAX?
Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
Oh, one thing that I love that I get from Seam is the state management. I just created a Stateful Web site accross multiple request/responses without having to deal with the HTTPSession and setting and getting stuff in/out of it. Very simple in my mind.
Maybe we can get Seam to integrate with Stripes.
Mark
Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:
Oh, one thing that I love that I get from Seam is the state management. I just created a Stateful Web site accross multiple request/responses without having to deal with the HTTPSession and setting and getting stuff in/out of it. Very simple in my mind.
Maybe we can get Seam to integrate with Stripes.
Mark
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
but when combined with Seam, Facelets, Ajax4Jsf, IceFaces, and JPA, development with JSF is such a pleasure.
Wow, that's quite a list. Seems Sun failed to mention all the supporting frameworks you need to learn and integrate to make JSF work correctly.![]()
Originally posted by Hung Tang:
Developers just got to pick one, based on their gut feeling, and start hacking at it.
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
Also note that since nearly everything on a JSF page is a custom tag, it makes it very difficult for a producer to do their job. In fact, they would need pretty solid knowledge of JSF, custom tags, and how they will end up rendering themselves to be effective, which nearly takes them out of the development equation.
What is the actual purpose of the id attribute supposed to be. I don't think it was meant for styling. When I think of id, I think of some unique identifier to identify a section. Isn't that what JSF thinks it is for? How would CSS not look at it this way? Isn't there supposed to be some attribute on HTML tags like 'style="myNameInCSS"', or is there no such tag.
Timothy Stone, MIT, SCJP
http://www.petmystone.com/
"This Satan's drink [coffee] is so delicious, we shall cheat Satan and baptize it." --Pope Clement the VIII (1592-1605)
Originally posted by Timothy Stone:
Seam, MyFaces, Facelets, etc. I can't tell who is winning and good resources for getting up to speed are difficult to find. And is it just me or are many of the ideas overly complex?
Often the most important part of the news is what they didn't tell.
Originally posted by Gregg Bolinger:
MyFaces is currently the best JSF implementation to date, hands down, bar none. If you simply must develop JSF apps, use MyFaces. I've heard good things about Facelets as well, but since I don't like JSF, I don't care for Facelets either. But worth a look if you do like JSF.
Wow, that's quite a list. Seems Sun failed to mention all the supporting frameworks you need to learn and integrate to make JSF work correctly.
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That's great! Does it improve development time? ;)
I'd venture to guess that developers using these libraries to make JSF development easier would beg to differ.
Jason Lee, SCJP<br />JSF RI Dev Team<br /><a href="http://blogs.steeplesoft.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://blogs.steeplesoft.com</a>
JPA isn't in any way related to JSF, so it's presence in that list is a little misleading.
One could just as easily use Hibernate, JDO, or JDBC.
I'm coming from a Delphi desktop development background, and am pretty new at web development. We are looking for a new set of tools for an in-house web application. We are just looking for something that works and we can work with quickly. While looking in the Java camp, we have to delve through the myriad of frameworks, comparing pros and cons of each and seeing what it going to be easier to work with and is going to fill our needs, and what is going to exist 2 years from now.
Regards, Dave Brown
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