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Pathetic lack of acknowledgement

 
Jim Baiter
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I am not an employee of Hewlett-Packard and stand nothing to gain from hyping their research but I continually fail to see any mention of them in articles concerning "web services history". They pioneered the whole thing and receive zero acknowledgement. This is an excerpt from their E-speak web site where in 3/2000, they were nominated for an award for the E-Speak web services framework. Where were Microsoft and IBM in 3/2000 is concerned? I hope some authors see this and at least look into it.
"March 27, 2000
HP Press Release: E-speak Nominated for Smithsonian Award
E-speak was nominated for the Computerworld Smithsonian Award, which recognizes innovative technologies. As a nominee, e-speak will become part of the Permanent Research Collection on Information Technology at the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History."
 
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The problem is that (as I understand it) E-speak wasn't using the standard technologies. The standards (SOAP, UDDI and WSDL) were all developed jointly by IBM and Microsoft.
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Jim Baiter
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But when E-Speak was created these standards to which you are referring didn't exist.
 
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The way i look at it , HP did come up with the idea back then and didnt support SOAP or any standards http://www.infoworld.com/articles/mt/xml/00/10/09/001009mteservice.xml
As far the question about microsoft goes : M$ was into SOAP back in 98 !! : http://www.develop.com/soap/soapfaq.htm#9
( as to why it didnt support it actively is another issue )
SOAP support was then extended to espeak project .
The .Net draws flak at this article on SUN around the same time : http://java.sun.com/features/2000/11/dot-net.html
With respect to HP , they wanted to add CDL ( conversational description language on top of wsdl ? ) and was not part of the standards initiative , even when IBM and microsoft were initially proposing the standard .
With respect to the concept i do agree that HP was trying to create an industry off webservices : http://platform.e-speak.net/platform-users/2000-06/msg00031.html
( still on my bookmark )
But to answer your point , espeak project would go down in history as the people who dared to show the business value to the world but who failed to capitalize on it .
The reason being the secured message delivery routing mechanism was part of the espeak strategy , how it came along is another story .
And I DO ACKNOWLEDGE their contribution and have always been quoting espeak for various reasons one being for the quote :

"He sought E-speak development responsibility and interprets the HP Lab management's reaction as, "He's going to do this, whether we want him to or not. Let's give him some rope. Either he'll deliver or he'll hang himself." He was given the rope.
http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,2599771-7,00.html
Notes to self : http://javarecon.tripod.com/tech.html to prove that i do ack'ed espeak
 
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Well yes. ESpeak got it all started but HP did not package and market it well. It was slightly ahead of its time. WSCL initiative and the new UDDI they have now come up with in collab. with IBM is also not gaining much either. Check out their site for this: http://www.uddi4j.org. . It does not give very easy to understand answers or service description- that probably once again is poor marketing.
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Jim Baiter
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You're right, I agree - I think they did the same thing with CORBA. HP & Sun had the first ORB but the whole thing really went nowhere and others took the model and made it work. I was really only ranting in the sense that some of these magazines or trade shows could at least make some mention of it. If someone from IBM/MS writes a book on IBM/MS web services and makes no mention of e-speak I can understand this. However, the articles in the general space that cover the history should at least make some mention of it.
[This message has been edited by Jim Baiter (edited November 15, 2001).]
 
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