Palm Devices

[Raghav Mathur]

Hi
I,am aquinted to Midlets amd have developed a few but how can one develop midlets for palm devices. What else besides the J2me kit am i suppose to download. Please guide me a bit.
Thanks in advance

[Mark Spritzler]

Check out here for the Palm emulator.
Mark
There is also the Lurker's guide to J2ME, I don't have the link with me though

[Matthew Phillips]

The Lurker's Guide to J2ME

[Layne Lund]

You also need to download midp4palm from the Java site. This utility provides a KVM for Palm-based handhelds and a converter tool that converts your midlet suites into Palm-compatible .PRC files. You can download it here.
I have been working on this myself and encountered some problems. If you are interested, you can see my on-going thread here. You can also see my initial inquiry into this same topic here.
[ April 03, 2003: Message edited by: Layne Lund ]

[Pavlin Mihalev]

Hello,
In the J2ME Wirelless Toolkit 1.0.4 there is an option "PalmOS_device" in the device list - so you can compile a *.prc file. Since version 2.0 of the toolkit this option has disappeared. Maybe because java is running REALLY slow on Palm ...
Chears,

[Raghav Mathur]

Originally posted by Pavlin Mihalev:
Hello,
In the J2ME Wirelless Toolkit 1.0.4 there is an option "PalmOS_device" in the device list - so you can compile a *.prc file. Since version 2.0 of the toolkit this option has disappeared.
,

I 've downloaded 2.0 . I still don't have an idea how will i integrate the prc converter in the toolkit .

Maybe because java is running REALLY slow on Palm ...

huh .......... really ??
[ April 29, 2003: Message edited by: raghav mathur ]

[Layne Lund]

From what I understand, the midp4palm only supports MIDP 1.0, not MIDP 2.0. I haven't figured out how to convert my own midlets to PRC files, though, so this is the blind leading the blind here. Yes, I know about the Converter tool. See my previous thread about the error I get from it, if you are interested.
Cheers!
Layne

[Pavlin Mihalev]

Hi again,
Please take a look at http://www.palmgear.com/
how many j2me applications will you find ?
This is funny because I just wrote the same thing on another forum here: java on palm is not a good idea. This is a fact ...
Cheers,

[Raghav Mathur]

java on palm is not a good idea. This is a fact ...

Hmmmmmm.....
Then what do you think is a good idea to develop palm application ?
One more thing .... does this apply to wireless applications ( mobile phones).

[Pavlin Mihalev]

Don't get me wrong, java is a great solution for many platforms including mobile phones, but java is not made for palm. The KVM is adapted and not specially designed to work on palm. I have experience making programs for PalmOS using C/C++ and I must confess that it's a tricky job even with the extended (I mean low-level) possibilities that C/C++ has.
Best regards

[Michael Yuan]

Originally posted by Pavlin Mihalev:
Don't get me wrong, java is a great solution for many platforms including mobile phones, but java is not made for palm. The KVM is adapted and not specially designed to work on palm. I have experience making programs for PalmOS using C/C++ and I must confess that it's a tricky job even with the extended (I mean low-level) possibilities that C/C++ has.
Best regards

Well, I do not think Java has any intrinsic problems with the Palm platform. However, Palm the company seems to be losing their Java initiatives a long time ago. Just look at how slow the PDA Profile (Now PDA OP) has came along. IMHO, Palm should have implemented a high performance VM on its hardware and bundled it with ALL new devices for free.
Now, the best J2ME runtime on Palm is from IBM but it is heavily optimized for enterprise applications not consumer or game apps.
I have long gave up Palm as a viable platform for J2ME. I am using PocketPC, Sharp Zauras and MIDP phones these days.