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Greg Schwartz
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I've been out of town for about a week and just finished catching up on the latest J2ME posts. I can't tell you how fortunate we (anyone posting anything regarding J2ME) are to have Jonathan Knudsen's input and advice in this forum.
I've been working with this technology for quite some time now and truly believe that he is not only one of the most knowledgable on the subject but one of the best at teaching it.
I also wanted to mention that there is a great article in the July issue of Business 2.0 magazine in regards to "the next best thing" being cellular technology. Part of the article specifically focuses on the growing market for wireless content and I found it pretty exciting and motivating. If anyone else checks this out, let me know what you think.
 
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Did the article give any timeframe on when we'll be seeing the kind of services that Europe and Japan have had for years?
At last year's JavaOne (in March) there was lots of talk about phones and phone compaines supporting Java in the fall. Well, where I work, every month or two we get cell phone companies pitching their phones and service plans in our cafeteria. Around last October I started asking them if their phones supported Java and got nothing but blank looks. When the reps called their offices they were told, "Not yet."
I stopped asking them around February or March of this year and, while they seem to recognize me as I walk by, I have yet to hear any of them say "Hey! We got Java, so buy a phone."
Sorry for the grumble... I'm just hoping we'll see it soon.

BTW, I like Business 2.0 - though I haven't read it in several months. Any idea if it's available online?
Thanks.
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Jonathan Knudsen
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Greg, thanks very much.
Burk, Java-enabled phones are readily available in the U.S. Nextel has been offering Motorola phones for a couple of years. Sprint PCS has some Sanyo and Samsung models available. T-Mobile offers MIDP phones.
I think sales agents tend to be clueless about Java, but if you know what you're looking for you can find it.
 
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I think sales agents tend to be clueless about Java

Tell me about it. Everytime I go into the Verizon store they have no idea which phones are Java enabled. And their tags by the phone showing their features usually have no mention of Java enabled, even when the phone is.
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I couldn't agree more about the sales agents at these stores...
Here is a link to the article I mentioned: http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,50167,00.html
 
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My problem is that I don't know what i'm looking for I know I want a phone that lets me run MIDLets, but I don't understand all the optional things, like:
1) Does the carrier I use limit the MIDlet providers I can access?
2) How does the billing for wireless compare between the different carriers?
3) Is there an advantage to using specific devices with specific carriers? I suspect there is...

All these questions and more - and none of the reps I talk to can address them. Anybody know w good web source for this kind of data? There's just gotta be one somewhere....

Thanks for bearing with me - it's really frustrating sometimes...
 
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Originally posted by Mark Spritzler:

Tell me about it. Everytime I go into the Verizon store they have no idea which phones are Java enabled. And their tags by the phone showing their features usually have no mention of Java enabled, even when the phone is.

As I recall, Verizon is the biggest US carrier for BREW. They do not support J2ME until very late (like, this year). But their parent company in Europe Vodafone is a strong J2ME support. Vodafone appeared several times during this year's JavaOne keynote.
 
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So... Is there a device/carrier combo that you (anyone reading this) would recommend to a cell-phone newbie interested in getting real-life experience with a Java enabled phone?
 
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NexTel + Morotola is probably the best around. But they are expensive.
Cingular/T-Mobile + Nokia is also good.
I heard sprint has very good J2ME support too. But I have not personally tried it.
 
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Thanks, Michael, I'll look into them.
 
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I've heard that the Sprint coverage in my local area is pretty good. AT&T sucks, so I'm thinking of switching. What Java-enabled phones will work on the Sprint network? Exploring more J2ME will be a good reason to invest in a new phone and switch carriers.
 
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This might sound like a stupid question, but remember that I'm European...
What does it matter if your mobile operator does or doesn't support Java? Can't you still download games provided by other operators?
 
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