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Joe Pluta
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I respond and you delete my responses and close the thread.
Wow.
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paul wheaton
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Yet more proof that what I say is true:
I did not delete your post.
I did not close the thread.
Your posts are often accusatory and full of mis-information. Just the kind of ick I'm trying to get rid of.
 
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Hi Joe,
I don't know who deleted your last posts in the other thread and if I knew it, I probably won't tell you myself. But what I can tell you for sure, is that:
  • Paul didn't close it
  • At the time I'm writing, it's still a mystery


  • BTW Joe, I've just read your other thread. What about trying to solve the issue *privately*? With Paul for sure, but maybe with Michael and/or Max as well?
    Best regards,
    Phil.
    [ April 25, 2004: Message edited by: Philippe Maquet ]
     
    Joe Pluta
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    Your posts are often accusatory and full of mis-information. Just the kind of ick I'm trying to get rid of.
    In my previous post, I didn't specifically refer to you, Paul Wheaton. I simply meant the moderators of this forum. My posts were deleted, the topic was closed. There is no misinformation there.
    Joe
    [ April 25, 2004: Message edited by: Joe Pluta ]
     
    Joe Pluta
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    BTW Joe, I've just read your other thread. What about trying to solve the issue *privately*? With Paul for sure, but maybe with Michael and/or Max as well?
    Privately has done no good. As far as I can tell, there is an inner circle and the rules are different for them. That's fine. I've neve been much for cliques anyway. I just dislike the implication that I am generally uncivil. Whenever I'm less than civil, it's in response to one of the staff. I don't mind being run out of town, but I do not believe that it's because I'm uncivil to the guests. It's because I won't take grief from the inner circle.
    Not only that, it's good to clear the air. The more you keep behind closed doors, the more you're likely to foster elitism and self-serving rules and habits. Of course, some people don't like seeing their dirty laundry aired, and I can understand that. But it seems to me, based on what has happened here, that the conversations that occur in private here don't always address the real underlying problems.
    In any event, I hardly posted in the last several weeks anyway, and when I did I got jumped, so there's no real reason for me to continue, either here or in MD. It's JUST A BULLETIN BOARD, fer goshsakes. I have other things to deal with. If I want to be productive, I can simply avoid MD and post in Java-related areas. I have to quit trying to tilt against windmills, accept the situation and move on.
    This will be my last post on the subject. From now on, if I do participate, it will be with the full understanding that I am to act entirely within the rules of JavaRanch as indicated to me by any moderator, in private or public. I will refrain from posting in MD, and in any other forum (including this one) I will refrain from posting anything negative about any member of the staff or any other rancher, or anything that happens here at the Ranch.
    The rules have been made clear: follow the edicts passed down, do not question, and if someone else breaks the rules, just deal with it. If I can't handle that, then it's my problem.
    Joe
    [ April 25, 2004: Message edited by: Joe Pluta ]
     
    Thomas Paul
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    Originally posted by Paul Wheaton:
    Yet more proof that what I say is true:
    I did not delete your post.
    I did not close the thread.
    Your posts are often accusatory and full of mis-information. Just the kind of ick I'm trying to get rid of.

    In this case Joe is correct. Someone did delete his post and close the thread. I'm not sure who did it or why since I thought the purpose of the "JavaRanch" forum was so that people could have a place to gripe about the way we run things.
     
    John Smith
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    TP: Someone did delete his post and close the thread. I'm not sure who did it or why
    We've had it in the past. Someone would close the thread without an explanation, and everyone (incuding the moderators) would be wondering who did it and why. I think an action as drastic as closing the thread (not just moving it to other forum) requires at least one line of explanation.
    I also thought that the Trash Can was just for that, -- to track who deleted the post and when. Apparently not?
    [ April 25, 2004: Message edited by: Eugene Kononov ]
     
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    Joe, if you feel are you treated so unfairly, why do you keep posting? Does MD feel some void in your life? Can you not live without it? I'm not being sarcastic here. I really want to know. It's just that I don't see you in any of the other forums except MD. I mean, you authored a book an Eclipse and you are never answering Eclispe questions.
    There are lots of political discussion forums all over the web where your style might better fit in and the site with more tolerance for some heated debate.
    [ April 25, 2004: Message edited by: Gregg Bolinger ]
     
    Joe Pluta
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    "Never" is a strong word, Gregg. I've posted, though not terribly often, in all of the Java in General forums, the IBM/Websphere forum and I think the servlets and JSP forums as well. I am also a semi-regular in the Author's Corral and an occasional poster in Programming Diversions. So while the percentage of my posts in MD is high, it's not 100%, and that's not unheard of here at the Ranch. There are other posters and even staff members who I daresay spend a good amount of time in MD.
    I got involved in MD heavily first with the Good vs. Evil posts back last year. After some heated arguments, I took a breather. That lasted a while, until we had the outsourcing and visa discussions. While a bit off the wall, those culminated in the rather special casteism and slavery thread which I though was one of the best we've had in MD in my time here.
    After that, though, my primary pull to MD was the fact that, with the number of people who post here, I didn't want people to get the idea that all Americans were die-hard anti-Bush fanatics who opposed the war in Iraq. With the decidedly leftist leaning of some of the more vocal posters in MD, I decided to add my voice to the more conservative faction. And though I did get a little het up on occasion , I eventually slowed down, seeing that there were folks here who could hold up the more conservative side of things just fine. I continued to mellow. However, by this time I had already made enemies among the staff, and I think you can see it in the fairly regular antagonism my posts received from a regular group of posters.
    The culmination of this behavior was the "killing babies" debacle, where my comment that I would push a button to save my just-born son regardless of how many people you said it would kill became something of a rallying cry for the "Joe is evil" crowd. As the argument grew to include a few other Ranchers, I said a few decidedly uncivil things, until I finally backed off completely.
    Over the last several weeks, I've hardly commented in MD. I made some recommendations for drinks (the Brave Bull being my favorite) and at one point I questioned whether Agent Orange had anything to do with a discussion of current events. I think it was that last comment that was the precursor to this last event.
    Really, look at my posts over the last several weeks. Hardly any. Most of them completely benign, except for those responding to Michael Ernest. I still have a tendency to not let people put words in my mouth or misrepresent my position, even though I should know better by now. Really, read my posts. There are two or three people who goad me and who I am ashamed to say I still respond in kind. Yeah, it's a personal problem .
    So that's it in a nutshell, Gregg. I got sucked into MD because I thought it was an interesting place to debate some really deep issues. Later, I found a couple of causes I wanted to voice an opinion on: outsourcing and Iraq. Once my baby was born, I began to really try to extricate myself, but there are a few people who get a kick out of slamming me, and my own character defects see me in shouting matches. That never looks good. As my grampa always said, never argue in public with a fool, bystanders can't tell the difference.
    Anyway, I'm done in MD by Royal Fiat, and I intend, time permitting, to do a little more posting in some of the other forums. I think I really did manage to say my piece here, for whatever good may come of it, and all in all I'm pretty proud of myself. I wasn't always the nicest guy on the block (and that I'm not proud of), but I certainly held my own against some pretty tough and often nasty behavior. Say what you will about me, you always knew where I stood on issues, and I never backed down.
    Joe
     
    Tony Morris
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    wtf is MD ?
     
    HS Thomas
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    Originally posted by Tony Morris:
    wtf is MD ?

    A bottomless pit otherwise known as the Meaningless Drivel forum at the end of the Saloon page.
    [ April 26, 2004: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
     
    Sameer Jamal
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    Originally posted by HS Thomas:

    A bottomless pit otherwise known as the Meaningless Drivel forum at the end of the Saloon page.
    [ April 26, 2004: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]

     
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