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Originally posted by Franklin Nwankwo:
The old chestnut I know, but I've been thinking about this one and this article is quite interesting see
http://www.javaskyline.com/topnews.jsp
The latest JDJ has also got something to say bout this.
As for me I dont think being certified makes a good programmer it just helps ....
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Originally posted by Bill Bailey:
So the real question is : Does it work ?
Originally posted by Bill Bailey:
Well, let's stop hypocrisy.
We all know, as Java developers, that the certification is not to improve knowledge
Rob
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Originally posted by Bill Bailey:
Well, let's stop hypocrisy.
We all know, as Java developers, that the certification is not to improve knowledge.
You are not better than a non-certified if you only added value is to know the API by heart.
If the documentation exists, let's use it and let stop learning dummy definitions.
No, if we take the Cert, it is just to have a better salary, a better job, to be recogniized, to have brighter days.....
So the real question is : Does it work ?
Did someone obtain a better job after the SCPJ ?
Did someone obain a better salary ?
Did someone have a chat with his bos like
You know, Boss, I'm certified now... I guess I deserve a better wage...let's say..30 %...
Then what did he do ?
Laughed ? fired you ? cried ? or gave you some Microsoft stock options....??
That is the real question.
Rob
SCJP 1.4
Originally posted by Rob Ross:
So if you are getting certified because you think that someone is really going to care about it, and hire you because of it, well, that's NEVER been my experience!
most people taking the exam today have practically no concern for the ideals that you so valiantly try to uphold.
if that's true, it's very sad.
/ JeanLouis<br /><i>"software development has been, is, and will remain fundamentally hard" (Grady Booch)</i><br /> <br />Take a look at <a href="http://www.epfwiki.net/wikis/openup/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Agile OpenUP</a> in the Eclipse community
Does it make sense ? I'm quite sure it doesn't.
...There is absolutely nothing wrong with above things
There is no guarantee that a person in category 1 or 2 will always apply what he/she has learnt.
Anyways, which ever you want to slice it I hope that a person taking SCJP has learnt atleast something
But then preaching that what they are doing is the only correct thing that one can do is non-sense.
Rob
SCJP 1.4
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