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I passed SCJP2 1.4 exam (score 88) on August 26 2002, today I received the certification kit, but I became dissapointed when I read these tinny words at the bottom "Expiration Date: August 26, 2004", because at the time I did the exam there was no Sun indications about this policy.
I read on Sun website that this will apply after Sept 1 2002.
I think this make these new certifications worthless because their main purpouse should be to test that you know the fundamentals of the language and if whithin two years they'd add a new keyword or a new class, that wouldn't mean that every of what you learned before doesn't matter.
I want to ask the guys who passed the exam before this date, if they got an expiration date certification too.
Thanks.
 
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I passed SCJP2 last year (September 2001). In the agreement I signed, it clearly stated that the certificate is valid for three years. Guess, this policy is not new afterall.
 
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Jose
What you signed was the logo license contract, but I bet you that you don't have an expiration date written on you certificate.
 
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I read on Sun website that this will apply after Sept 1 2002.


Where did you find this? Anyway, does this mean that after two years you are no longer certified on the language and you need to retake the exam just for the purpose of renewing your certificate? Too bad,i plan to take the exam before the year ends and my contract in my current company will expire in two years. If there is a two year expiration on the certificate then after my contract expires im no longer certified.I thought i could use this certificate as a good basis of my knowledge in java when i go job hunting after two years...
 
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Hi Paulo,

Originally posted by Paulo Aquino:

...after two years you are no longer certified on the language and you need to retake the exam just for the purpose of renewing your certificate?


After two years, Java tech wil have changed so much the cert you hold now will be of little value by that time.

Too bad,i plan to take the exam before the year ends and my contract in my current company will expire in two years.
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I thought i could use this certificate as a good basis of my knowledge in java when i go job hunting after two years...


You could always say 'Java Certified 2002-2004' or something like that, if you don't wanna retake the exam... Just say the company didn't want to shoulder the cost of the retake.
 
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You could always say 'Java Certified 2002-2004' or something like that, if you don't wanna retake the exam... Just say the company didn't want to shoulder the cost of the retake.


Hahahahaha! Thanks for the friendly advice. By the way, is the validity of the certification only 2 years starting sept. 1, 2002? not 3 years?
 
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By the way i already found out the url of the site:
http://suned.sun.com/US/certification/faq/
Quoting from the site:

How long is my certification title "good"?
Unless otherwise stated, and beginning with all Sun Certification exams taken after September 1, 2002, certification offerings from Sun Services are valid for two (2) years from the date of certification. The certification date will appear on both a certificate and an identification card with the applicable certification title. The identification card will also include an expiration date, on which an IT professional's Sun certification status expires. Sun may maintain multiple versions of any certification exam or title to meet varying global demand for title versions and to offer IT professionals flexible certification options. Sun reserves the right to retire specific Sun certification exams or titles for any reason and at any time. Sun's recertification policy and program are subject to change without notice.


I hope the validity of the certification will be change back to three years just like before. I think two years is such a short time for the validity of a certain certification. I think this is a dubious ploy of Sun Microsystems to make money out of certification exams...oh just my two cents!
 
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Comments from other ranchers on re-certification...
 
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Originally posted by Paul Villangca:
After two years, Java tech wil have changed so much the cert you hold now will be of little value by that time.

I don't buy that for a second. Think back to two years ago. Has Java changed that much? Are threads new? Did collections not exist two years ago? It's all bogus anyway. A programmer isn't like a quart of milk that expires on certain date. If you know Java today then you will still know Java two years plus one day from today.
 
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I don't buy that for a second. Think back to two years ago. Has Java changed that much? Are threads new? Did collections not exist two years ago? It's all bogus anyway. A programmer isn't like a quart of milk that expires on certain date. If you know Java today then you will still know Java two years plus one day from today.


Well, the Assert clause wasn't there, neither was the the new I/O library, neither were regular expressions. And while a programmer is not like a quart of milk, the elements of the programming language he uses may be.
From my perspective, the perpose of the SCJP test isn't to see how good a programmer you are, it's to find out how well you know the programming language. Big difference. If VonNeuman or Turing or any of the CS greats walk off the street (and from the grave) and took the SCJP2 test with no knowledge of Java, they would probably fail. Doesn't mean they aren't Genuises of Computer Science, just that they haven't memorized the syntax of the java langauge.
However, I certainly did prefer the previous method of certifying a person forever on that specific version of the technologyly. Even newer versions of the language may have come out, that in no way diminishes my skill in the previous version of the langauge And if someone needs someone skilled on that older version, I'm their man.
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But the SCJP 1.4 test covers neither regular expressions nor the nio library.
 
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