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Are swing applets a bad idea?

 
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I assume the reason AWT applets are not used more often is that java script code is much faster to download.
Since AWT applets on a web page are so slow, I assume the swing plug-in for the WinTel platform (or any other platform) is a disaster for a public web site.
Incidently, I don't remember seeing the plug-in for any other platforms besides Wintel. Is this another reason to avoid swing applets?
Does anyone disagree? Are there other reasons why applets are so unpopular?
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My opinion is that the Plug-In is a fairly large thing to have to download if users have slow connections (~5MB). But I still think it is the best thing going in order to use Swing.
There is some hope for Netscape users...the full installation of Netscape 6 will install the latest 1.3 Plug-In. Too bad IE won't follow suit. (for .NET reasons I suspect)
The Plug-In is available for Solaris, HP-UX, Compaq Unix, Solaris and Linux.
 
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