Browser percentages on the ranch?

[Scott Dunbar]

I was looking at an article on Slashdot that said that on some of the technical sites Mozilla based browsers account for 30% or more of the hits. Any of the sheriffs or bartenders care to share the stats for the ranch?

[ October 26, 2004: Message edited by: Scott Dunbar ]
[ October 26, 2004: Message edited by: Scott Dunbar ]

[Mapraputa Is]

Hi Scott,

If you scroll down to the very bottom of the page, and click on the Extreme Tracking icon, I believe you'll see some stats for JavaRanch. In particular, this page:

http://extremetracking.com/open;sys?login=jranch

Hope this helps...

[Scott Dunbar]

Thanks for providing the link. I guess it won't count those of us who have adblocked extream-dm.com (and I didn't see the icon either) but it is great stats. Thanks for the info.

[Jeroen Wenting]

Remember that /. has an agenda to show that Mozilla is larger than life.
Remember also that the sites /. refers to are most likely of interest only to linux users, who don't have IE available and must use Mozilla (or worse, Netscape).

No wonder such sites get 30%+ users using Mozilla, Mozilla users are their target audience...
It's like saying that Windows Update gets nearly 100% IE users, hardly surprising as WU requires IE to run...

[Marcus Green]

Many people use alternatives to IE because of security fears about using IE.

[Kishore Dandu]

I feel IE sucks after using Firefox for a while.

Go Mozilla go... Go firefox go...

[Nicholas Cheung]

Still, I am a MS fan.

Nick

[Kishore Dandu]

Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
Still, I am a MS fan.

Nick

MS IE sucks so bad; I feel like throwing up when ever I test some stuff at work(since most of my audience are still using IE, & working in stone age)..

[Vicken Karaoghlanian]

Ignite the web with the final release of Firefox 1.0. Burn Baby Burn!!!

[Jeroen Wenting]

Originally posted by Nicholas Cheung:
Still, I am a MS fan.

Nick

same here. Firefox is just slow and (like all Netscape ilks) takes up way too much screen realestate.
Plus of course the already big buglist (including several potentially dangerous exploits it seems)...

And yes, I've used a lot of browsers.
Every version of IE since 2.0
Just about every Netscape since 2.0
Several incantations of Mozilla
Few Opera versions
Lynx even...
That default browser in OS/2 Warp (what was its name again?)
Telnet
[ November 10, 2004: Message edited by: Jeroen Wenting ]

[Jesse Torres]

Firefox 1.0 is fast; very fast. It also has a lot of real estate. Mozilla based browsers are the best! I love the option that allows you to open new tabs, instead of opening a new window.
[ November 10, 2004: Message edited by: Jesse Torres ]

[Jeroen Wenting]

any way to get rid of those large (albeit smaller than with Mozilla/Netscape) icons and replace them with smaller ones like the small icons option in IE?

I'm running FF 0.93 on a Linux box (came packaged with it, might upgrade it manually at some point) with a rather small screen and the borders and buttonbar of FF take up a LOT of real estate.

[Andrew Eccleston]

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
any way to get rid of those large (albeit smaller than with Mozilla/Netscape) icons and replace them with smaller ones like the small icons option in IE?

You could pick out a different theme. When they have some again. There used to be some very nice ones.

andrew
[ November 11, 2004: Message edited by: Andrew Eccleston ]

[Jim Yingst]

Bump. I'm not sure what's up with the link Andrew gave above; it doesn't seem to want to list any of the themes that are currently available. I get much better results from within Firefox by going to Tools -> Themes -> Get More Themes. At the time Andrew posted above, Firefox 1.0 had just been released, and most of the existing themes hadn't been validated/upgraded to work with 1.0. So searching for themese that went with Firefox 1.0, there wasn't much. Now there is. Littlefox 1.01 and Microfirefox 1.0.1 are probably good candidates for Jeroen to use. You can also go to View -> Toolbars and uncheck the bookmarks toolbar if you wish. I don't get much use out of it, and that would free up some more space at the top if that's still an issue. You could eliminate the navigation bar too, but I wouldn't recommend that.

[Andrew Eccleston]

I think I originally found that link from Mozilla's web site. At the time of my prior post, you are correct Jim, Firefox 1.0 was just released, so I figured that it would just take a little time for themes to be verified/ported/added. Now, I'm thinking that particular site is having trouble. So, nuts to them. I'll use your described method, as it's providing better results.

andrew

[Andrew Eccleston]

Also, if you go into View|Toolbars|Customize... there's a checkbox at the bottom for "Use small icons".

For what it's worth.


andrew

[Warren Dew]

Mapraputa Is:

http://extremetracking.com/open;sys?login=jranch

Interesting that IE has only 82% share of the browsers using the site, though Windows constitutes 92% of the operating systems. Presumably Firefox and other browsers using the Gecko engine are included under Netscape's 17%.

Given the extensive list of operating systems, I have to wonder who the 2.55% using "other" operating systems are. What operating systems do they consider less distinct than Amiga?

[Sudharsan Govindarajan]

Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:

I'm running FF 0.93 on a Linux box (came packaged with it, might upgrade it manually at some point) with a rather small screen and the borders and buttonbar of FF take up a LOT of real estate.

The LittleFox theme gives u all the real estate in ur desktop. Its so small..

[Pradeep bhatt]

Is FireFox good?

[Vicken Karaoghlanian]

Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Is FireFox good?

It is the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be.

[Vedhas Pitkar]

Firefox is too memory intensive.Try opening a few tabs ,minimize it then maximixe it.Do the same with IE.See the difference for yourself.(128MB RAM)

[Sudharsan Govindarajan]

Where do you get tabs in IE?

Anyway, here are the memory stats in my machine.
4 Windows of IE against FF with 4 tabs

FF - 26596 K

IE 1 - 16532K
IE 2 - 13688K
IE 3 - 16696K
IE 4 - 14556K
Total- 61742K

I opened one window more, FF occupied just 1 more MB, but IE occupied another 12 MB.
That is what IE is; such a memory hog.

Sudharsan

[Thomas Paul]

Originally posted by Sudharsan G'rajan:
I opened one window more, FF occupied just 1 more MB, but IE occupied another 12 MB.
That is what IE is; such a memory hog.

If you run them as separate processes then yes it is a memory hog. Open them as New>>>Window and they aren't since they run in the same process. In fact, I have four separate IE's running and am using 24,000K. I have one Firefox running and it using 24,800K. Adding additional Firefox or IE's increases the memory only slightly. The difference is that starting a new IE separate from the original creates a separate process. Firefox always runs in the same process no matter how it is started.

[Sudharsan Govindarajan]

Thanks Tom! I was misled.

Sudharsan

[Jeroen Wenting]

Originally posted by Thomas Paul:

Firefox always runs in the same process no matter how it is started.

Which can be a big problem... Application instances shouldn't share memory space, especially data space.

[Sudharsan Govindarajan]

That depends on the application design. When tabs can share the same memory space, why not windows?

Sudharsan

[Anonymous]

Mozilla has only been out there a few years so the 5 year cumulative total is a bunch of Moose Crap.

How about figures that show just the last 6 months here?

[Jeroen Wenting]

tabs share the same memory space since they are launched as child windows from the main browser window the same way as happens when you use Ctrl-N to create a new window in IE.

When you launch a new application instance it should get its own memory space, period.
Or if not it should specifically be programmed to allow only 1 instance to run which alone would for me be reason enough not to use it.