M Rama

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Posts: 91

posted 12 years ago

i'm having problem understanding the conditions explanation in k&b.

it says:

1. I don't know if its a typo, should it be || instead of |. Would it still return a boolean with |.?

2. Assuming it was a typo and it actually meant ||, k&b says:

if (x>3) is false, no point in looking at the rest of the expression. 'cos during runtime it is evaluated as

but my tests prove otherwise. my test proves, left to right operation :

which means, it solves the first operation from left to right and the result of it, it operates with the next one.

can someone shed some light on this?

Thanks

it says:

1. I don't know if its a typo, should it be || instead of |. Would it still return a boolean with |.?

2. Assuming it was a typo and it actually meant ||, k&b says:

if (x>3) is false, no point in looking at the rest of the expression. 'cos during runtime it is evaluated as

but my tests prove otherwise. my test proves, left to right operation :

which means, it solves the first operation from left to right and the result of it, it operates with the next one.

can someone shed some light on this?

Thanks

Jeff Jetton

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Posts: 71

posted 12 years ago

I think you'd be right if it was a "||" (boolean OR). But notice that it's a "|" (bitwise OR). As it turns out, bitwise OR has precendence over boolean AND.

So, if I'm understanding it correctly, the expression is evaluated like this:

So, doStuff() should always be evaluated. It's not susceptible to "short circuiting" by a false cropping up earlier in the expression.

Regards,

- Jeff

Originally posted by M Rama:

if (x>3) is false, no point in looking at the rest of the expression. 'cos during runtime it is evaluated as

I think you'd be right if it was a "||" (boolean OR). But notice that it's a "|" (bitwise OR). As it turns out, bitwise OR has precendence over boolean AND.

So, if I'm understanding it correctly, the expression is evaluated like this:

So, doStuff() should always be evaluated. It's not susceptible to "short circuiting" by a false cropping up earlier in the expression.

Regards,

- Jeff

Kalyana Sundaram

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Posts: 94

posted 12 years ago

HI Rama,

First of all, one must clearly remember the precedence and then the associativity

As of this case, the operators under discussion are & && | ||

The order of precedence is

Bitwise / logical AND&

Bitwise / logical OR|

Conditional AND &&

Conditional OR ||

Case (1)

System.out.println(false && true || true);//returns true

Operators involved are && ||

In this && has highest precedence. So the expression would be evaluated as

((false && true) || true)

(false || true)

(true)

Case (2)

System.out.println(false && true | true);//returns false

Operators involved && |

In this | has highest precedence. So the expression would be evaluated as

(false && ( true | true))

(false && true)

(false)

I hope this helps.

Please do mail back if what I have understood is not you have asked for.

Cheers !!!

First of all, one must clearly remember the precedence and then the associativity

As of this case, the operators under discussion are & && | ||

The order of precedence is

Bitwise / logical AND&

Bitwise / logical OR|

Conditional AND &&

Conditional OR ||

Case (1)

System.out.println(false && true || true);//returns true

Operators involved are && ||

In this && has highest precedence. So the expression would be evaluated as

((false && true) || true)

(false || true)

(true)

Case (2)

System.out.println(false && true | true);//returns false

Operators involved && |

In this | has highest precedence. So the expression would be evaluated as

(false && ( true | true))

(false && true)

(false)

I hope this helps.

Please do mail back if what I have understood is not you have asked for.

Cheers !!!

Only those who will risk going too far can possibly find out how far one can go !!!

sethu chiyan

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Posts: 10

posted 12 years ago

Hi da Rama,

if(((x>3)&&(y<2)|doStuff()))

1. I don't know if its a type, should it be || instead of |. Would it still return a boolean with |.?

ANS: Yes! Its a type, u can use |. Yes it will return boolean with |

2. Assuming it was a type and it actually meant ||, k&b says:

No, u no need to assume, keep as it is

if (x>3) is false, no point in looking at the rest of the expression. 'cos during runtime it is evaluated as

Yes! exactly.

3. which means, it solves the first operation from left to right and the result of it, it operates with the next one.

can someone shed some light on this?

S, it solvz first operation from left to right and the result, with that result proceed to next operator and the other operand. this is the way how it work.

With regards,

Sethu.

if(((x>3)&&(y<2)|doStuff()))

1. I don't know if its a type, should it be || instead of |. Would it still return a boolean with |.?

ANS: Yes! Its a type, u can use |. Yes it will return boolean with |

2. Assuming it was a type and it actually meant ||, k&b says:

No, u no need to assume, keep as it is

if (x>3) is false, no point in looking at the rest of the expression. 'cos during runtime it is evaluated as

Yes! exactly.

3. which means, it solves the first operation from left to right and the result of it, it operates with the next one.

can someone shed some light on this?

S, it solvz first operation from left to right and the result, with that result proceed to next operator and the other operand. this is the way how it work.

With regards,

Sethu.

Don't get me started about those stupid light bulbs. |