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Are applets working on Windows XP(IE)
without downloading any plug-ins?
 
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Microsoft is no longer shipping the java VM with their operating system, so you will have to download a plugin. Get the 1.4 plugin from Sun, that way you can use modern java instead of that ancient version from MS.
 
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Manuel, I have XP and IE, on websites, the Applets load fine without me having to download anything. Does that help?
 
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beth,
I suspect that someone must have installed Java support on your machine. It is my understanding as well as my experience on my own Windows XP system, that Microsoft is no longer including Java support with their shipping version of XP or IE. Microsoft's old JRE is downloadable from microsoft.com, but it only supports Java up to version 1.1.8.
The Microsoft Virtual Machine is available at http://www.microsoft.com/java/vm/dl_vm40.htm and Sun's Java products can be found at http://java.sun.com .
 
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If you upgrade to XP from an older system and had IE with Microsoft's Java VM installed, you will still have Microsoft's Java VM available.
If it is a brand spanking new installation of Windows XP, you will not have Microsoft's Java VM.
No matter what some people might say, for compatibility with the most websites, you should have Microsoft's Java VM installed and NOT set Sun's Java plug-in to take over the applet tag.
There is no way for a website to know that Sun's Java plug-in has taken over the applet tag, so if they've set things up to server a special version to IE users, you will still get the version intended for the Microsoft VM. Sun really needs to fix this bug in their plug-in to change the User Agent string so a website will know not to serve Microsoft specific files (this is especially true for when applet signing comes into play).
 
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Thank you very much
 
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Is it then worth to develop applets when
the applet won't work for Win XP
without downloading a plug-in?
[ May 21, 2002: Message edited by: Manuel Paco ]
 
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Originally posted by Manuel Paco:
Is it then worth to develop applets when
the applet won't work for Win XP
without downloading a plug-in?
[ May 21, 2002: Message edited by: Manuel Paco ]


Bill Gates hopes you won't. However, whe you get into heavy-duty logic or advanced UI features (a particular case in point is tabular data entry with validation), HTML, JavaScript and CSS tricks have their limits.
What Microsoft hopes you'll do for cases like that is use an ActiveX control or .Net component.
However, if you do, don't expect me to use your website. I'm using Netscape under Linux at the moment and they won't run. Java applets will.
 
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