WinXP and applets

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

Originally posted by Ernie Mink:
I noticed a short commentary about Sun JAVA for Internet Explorer Six in Windows XP and have a few comments to make.

We all know now that SUN sued Microsoft over certain issues relating to Virtual Machine and JAVA. We also know that Virtual Machine/JAVA is required to go to certain sites like Yahoo Chat and most Live video feeds. But what a lot of people do not seem to understand is that when they try and go to those sites and it asks them to download the JAVA Virtual machine, it does not work and therefore does not properly install that way. This is going to probably sound way out there, but I am sure I am not the only person who has done this. Sun JAVA can only properly and fully be installed by going to their website and installing it directly from there so the program can properly configure it for use with IE 6.

Now, even with Sun's version of JAVA and Virtual Machine installed, going to those sites still will not yield proper results. Here is why: Even with the Windows XP Service Pack One installed with Microsoft Virtual Machine/JAVA installed, the SUN Java, when selected in the internet properties/advanced of the IE6 Tools, will not yield perfect results. Video feed will come up, but sound will be noisy and make loud high pitched sounds, at least on six live video feed sites I visited. This is on several of my friends computers to as well, so this is a common problem with SUN being the center JAVA/Virtual Machine installed and in operation. And going to Yahoo Chat seemed ok at first until I tried to send personal instant messages. I could type in text but they would not allow me to send. It would do nothing when I clicked send.

The ONLY way to then configure it properly is by going back into Tools/Internet Properties/Advanced under tools in IE6 and UNCHECKING the SUN Java next to their coffee cup graphic, and checking the boxes labeled "JAVA Console enabled" and :JIT compiler for virtual machine enabled" under Microsoft VM. So it seems you DO have to install SUN JAVA 2 v1.1.1_01 applet, BUT it still appears to not work correctly and so you have to install from WIN XP Service Pack One the Microsoft VM as well, which is still the selection that works 100 percent.

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

So a synopsis of what you are saying:
Install Windows XP Service Pack 1 with Microsoft Virtual Machine/JAVA installed. Get the java plug-in.

Then go into Internet Properties/Advanced under Tools in IE6 and UNCHECK the Java(Sun) next to their coffee cup graphic. Check the boxes labeled "Java Console enabled" and "JIT compiler for virtual machine enabled" under Microsoft VM.
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Marilyn de Queiroz ]

[Ron Newman]

Very few users are going to jump through all those hoops to make an applet work properly. Why is it so difficult?

[Dirk Schreckmann]

So, who is Ernie Mink and has anybody been able to actually confirm his allegation?

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

Originally posted by Ron Newman:
Very few users are going to jump through all those hoops to make an applet work properly. Why is it so difficult?

You're just spoiled because you have an Apple.
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Marilyn de Queiroz ]

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

Originally posted by Dirk Schreckmann:
Has anybody been able to actually confirm his allegation?

I don't have IE6 so I can't speak to the XP Service Pack stuff, but it seems that you need the plug-in to run anything newer than version 1.1.4 stuff. And if you have the version 1.3.1 or 1.4 installed on your computer, you need to disable the plug-in to be able to run the older applets.

You could probably get by without enabling the Java Console and the JIT compiler for the MicroSoft VM, but it's kind of nice for trouble-shooting the older applets, in my opinion.

[Gregg Bolinger]

I have Windows XP w/out SP1 running IE6 and JDK1.4.1_01. I have had absolutely no problems with applets from any vendor (MS or SUN) running correctly. Sun's JRE is selected in IE and there is no other option for another VM since I don't have SP1. Everything works fine for me.
[ November 16, 2002: Message edited by: Gregg Bolinger ]

[Dirk Schreckmann]

I'm currently running Windows XP with SP1 and have had no problems with Java 1.4 enabled using IE6. I also had no problems without SP1.

[Marilyn de Queiroz]

Hmmm. It seems that Sun has changed something in their more current plug-ins. I had to disable the plug-in to see regular applets when I was using 1.3, but I have re-enabled it and it works now (using 1.4 on Win2K).
[ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: Marilyn de Queiroz ]