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Roger Johnson
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i am new to the forum. i found it is a great place. people can learn not only Java, but also Java career, relocation, investment, ...... even English grammer.

so to help keep it that way, i was wondering how to make donation to Javaranch. and i hope everyone who had a good time also donate.

 
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There's a page right here about donating to JavaRanch. Thank you kindly!
 
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thanks for the information!

i did find the page, even with who's who.

solute to the donators.

i really think everyone should donate if you had a good time, even you are doing general labor, making $7 per hour in McDonald. (if you do not have good time, why bother coming here?)

talk is cheap, show me the

MONEY
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Jeroen Wenting
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Any way to donate that doesn't involve US personal checks or PayPal?

One isn't available outside the US and the other I don't trust (and isn't available everywhere either).
 
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i suppose foreign check is OK. i think US banks will convert it into US currency.
 
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Ok, ok already!, I will donate but not until go to my mum's house because I have my secure linux PC down there.
 
Jeroen Wenting
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Originally posted by Roger Johnson:
i suppose foreign check is OK. i think US banks will convert it into US currency.


We don't have checks at all. There used to be Eurocheque, but those were abandoned years ago when creditcards became commonplace and were never accepted outside the EU anyway.

It's either creditcard, bank transfer, or cash here.
 
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
We don't have checks at all.


But we do have Czechs
 
Roger Johnson
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why do not you just put cash in mail? sometimes it works, i did once before!
 
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I've done it before and it worked but the site specifically mentions checks only and I've been told receiving cash in the mail is illegal in the US.
 
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I don't think the cash-in-the-mail thing is true, although I don't know for sure. It's never recommended, as if it gets lost, well, that's bad.

Can you get American Express traveller's checks? That would be OK.

I'm going to move this to the "JavaRanch" forum, since it's turning into a big discussion.
 
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I just "checked" on the Traveller's Cheque thing, and in fact, you can buy them all over Europe. You can find a sales location here.
 
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How does sending a signed traveler's check through the mail differ from sending cash?

(It would have to be signed by the sender for the receiver to cash it, right?)
 
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Yeah, you're right. It's not a very good idea. If it gets lost, it's the same as if cash gets lost. But if it's drawn in U.S. Dollars, it's at least better than sending non-US currency.
 
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I've posted money to Paul before. The trick is to stick the coins to something so they don't rattle around.

Strange but true, in both cases
 
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I get checks from England in pounds four times a year. From amazon.uk. Usually about 30 pounds. I found a bank that charges only $3 for the currency conversion (most banks charge $25).

Some folks have sent postal money orders.
 
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I remember when I was living in the Netherlands, how simple and easy banking seemed to be (once I got used to it). Then I moved to London, and felt like I had gone backwards in time to a much earlier banking scheme . Cheques are still common in England because they have not moved on to the more advanced banking concepts available on the continent.

Back to Jeroen's problem: when I first moved to the Netherlands, I had to get a cheque to send to Australia, and had the same problems you had. I found that the bank where I had my account (ABN Amro) would create a bank cheque for me, made out in the recipients name. They even allowed me one bank cheque a month free - not that I ever needed to send a cheque anywhere in the following two years.

Regards, Andrew
 
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Got a check from the UK a few years ago. Took me several weeks to find a bank willing to cash it for me and that cost me about half the amount the check was made out for...
 
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Living in the U.S., I've been paying all my bills online using autopay from checking account or credit card or, when necessary, manual by credit card. However, the one thing that I must still use checks for is paying rent for my apartment.

How do people in Europe (or other checkless economies) pay rent? For most bills I assume you can use the other forms above because larger businesses can easily afford CC fees (about 2%) or handle bank drafts, but does that cover everything? When I shared an apartment with other people, we'd write checks to each other to cover utilities.

I don't mean to derail this thread (if that's possible at this point), but it seems Roger's original question has been answered and we've moved on.
 
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Originally posted by David Harkness:
How do people in Europe (or other checkless economies) pay rent?


By standing order. As far as I can tell, that's quite common in germany.
 
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checkless economies?
Rent is mostly being paid by automatic monthly bank transfer.
We all have credit cards, ec cards, etc.
Jeroens case might have to do with the check being from UK where they use different currency (British Pound). Banks often attach high fees to international money transfer stuff (even within Euro-zone) for private persons. Companies is different story. Don't ask me why.
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Originally posted by Axel Janssen:
checkless economies?
Rent is mostly being paid by automatic monthly bank transfer.


Ugh. I would hate that. The whole concept of just leaving your money in a pile and saying "Take what you want" is just not good.

What happens when there's a dispute? What happens when there's a billing error? I got a $4,000 electric bill once two years ago due to a clerical error; since nothing happened until I paid by check, everything was fine. If they had automatically taken $4,000 from my checking account, I somehow doubt they'd be in much hurry to resolve the problem.
 
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Banks will revert any transfer immediately if asked to.

Is the system perfect? No. But in general it works quite well. The number of fake checks and checks with no money to back them was a lot higher
 
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Originally posted by Ernest Friedman-Hill:
Ugh. I would hate that. The whole concept of just leaving your money in a pile and saying "Take what you want" is just not good.

What happens when there's a dispute? What happens when there's a billing error? I got a $4,000 electric bill once two years ago due to a clerical error; since nothing happened until I paid by check, everything was fine. If they had automatically taken $4,000 from my checking account, I somehow doubt they'd be in much hurry to resolve the problem.


This is one of the reasons I still pay most of my bills by cheque (although not rent, unfortunately). Paying by cheque also gives a bit of flexibility. If I had a direct debit, then the money goes out on day X whether I like it or not. If I happen to have a temporary monetary shortage, there isn't much room for manoeuvre. When it comes to paying bills by cheque, I can do things like waiting a couple of days to be paid before sending the cheque off, which helps when money gets a bit tight.

Another advantage of cheques is that they are easy to write. Some old people may not understand how to do things like telephone or Internet banking, so cheques make a good low-tech alternative.

Its not all good news though. I don't know if its the same in other countries which use cheques, but here in the UK there is one large problem with them - the time it takes to process one. The banks say it takes up to a week to verify and credit check them before the money can be processed. Its all a bit of a con though - this may have been true years ago, but in the modern age of the computer this information must be available fairly quickly. The banks probably just want to slow things down so that they can have the money in their account for a few days to get the interest.
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Originally posted by Dave Lenton:
The banks probably just want to slow things down so that they can have the money in their account for a few days to get the interest.
While that's very satisfying on the people-versus-corporations level, I suspect it's simply a response to check fraud. Believe it or not, it's still very common, especially considering all the check-cashing stores in minimalls and that it's pathetically easy to acquire fake identity credentials.
 
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