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Joseph Chen
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I failed my third attempt to pass the exam this morning, and am feeling pretty down about it. I started studying about a year ago, with no prior knowledge of programming. I have attempted it 3 times so far, scoring in the 50's but not close enough to pass. I bought the K&B book 2 weeks ago, and wished I had known about it a year ago. Anyways, I can't give up, but I am just starting to feel like a total loser for not passing this.

I see all the time people bragging about passing it on their first try in the 90th percentile. I would like to know if there's anyone out there who has taken more than once. I just want to know if I am WAAAAY behind the pack, or if it really is just really hard. How common is it that people take it repeatedly?
 
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Originally posted by Joseph Chen:
...How common is it that people take it repeatedly?

I don't think Sun makes that information available. But with respect to people posting impressive results, consider that people who score highly are much more inclined to make public announcements than those who fail. In other words, the results posted here are probably not representative of what's really happening, so don't let that discourage you.

Since you've scored consistently in the same range 3 times now, you should not attempt the exam again until you have taken care of the topics that you're missing. Mock exams are an excellent tool to show you where you need to concentrate your efforts and gauge how ready you are for the real exam. The K&B book is an excellent resource and should help you take care of this.

In the meantime, post any specific questions you have here. I think you'll find this forum very helpful.
[ July 06, 2007: Message edited by: marc weber ]
 
Sundaram Karthick
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I know a friend who went through the same struggle, but he was successfull finally, secret - just keep coding, do a lot of samples and just doing a lot of samples will up your confidence level
 
Kantutan Tayo
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Tayo - please remember the "be nice" rule
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i dont agree with Tayo at all. you cant say to choose a different career just bcoz of that. it's totally ridiculous.

Just try to find your loop holes in mock exam. dont think abt what happened till now..just give one more try, but with full confidence. aim high..

and give lot of mocks..it really helps a lotttt.

all the best buddy.
 
Oscar Gonzalez
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You studied for a year and still failed?!

I recommend you find yourself a new career.


Tayo, This forum is to help people to accomplish their goals, if every time you fail yo think in quitting then keep it to yourself.

What I think is that the person who failed need to focus more in what is needed to pass this exam, what are the objectives instead of trying to program a lot of things that won't be covered in the exam, and please, don get discouraged, you have problems passing the exam, so what?, Every time you program you won't be tested in speed or anything else, you will need to make the program run and with beautiful code and that's it.
 
Joseph Chen
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Thanks for the (mostly) words of encouragement. My problem is that I don't do much coding at work. I actually already have a career as a professional audio engineer, and started programming just for batch processing, and decided that if I am going to learn to program, then I should fully commit. I really enjoy programming when I get the chance, I just need to find more projects I can do at home I guess, and continue my studying. I actually study every day before work.

Kantutan Tayo, as for you, maybe if my career depended on passing this exam, things would be different. I am doing it because it's useful and I enjoy it. So tell me, beside clearly being some kind of Java mastermind, how many other successful careers do you have?
[ July 06, 2007: Message edited by: Joseph Chen ]
 
Wyn Riley
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Hi Joseph, there's a lot of us finding this hard who, despite the hard work, do it because we enjoy it.

You will get there, good luck.

Wyn
 
marc weber
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Originally posted by Kantutan Tayo:
...I recommend you find yourself a new career.

I'll assume that was meant to be helpful. But remember that when you joined JavaRanch you accepted a user agreement that said "Be nice."

When I started in Java, I studied for about a year, then took a mock SCJP exam and scored below 50%. I just hadn't focused enough on all the required areas.
 
andy parikh
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thats the spirit joseph..[ ]..don't let anyone discourage you dude..

it's a challenge and just live up to it. scjp is really a nice exam..as everything is based on core java.

and really don't think about your failures..just make your mind work in a way that you can find.."what went wrong in last 3 exams".

so..take this advice in consideration.
1) only approach one book. and stick to it. K&b is really good. And Khalid mughal is also good for scjp. But, Khalid mughal is bit boring compared to K&b..(i felt that)

2) don't just read book. book will only give you concept. but for exam you have to apply those concepts....so after reading your book one time..go straight to give mocks..and "MAKE NOTES" of each of your MISTAKES" you make in mock exams....so you can refer them anytime.

3) and what i did for some chapters..like operators , i created a full program built in with every operator in book and then i was twisting a program..in my way and see output.. So if you are comfortable doing it do it.

4) I feel..just don't spend much time in creating a full program right now..just get some ready made code..on each concepts....and copy it to your editor and run it..twist it and run it again..and see the difference..that will help a lot in saving time and understanding concepts too..

And, again..don't listen to people like tayo..

hope this helps..don't worry..keep yourself cool..and confident..you'll rock soon..

all the best..

Andy
 
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Originally posted by Joseph Chen:
...I actually already have a career as a professional audio engineer...

Wanna trade?
 
Cameron McKenzie
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I failed only two courses in my entire life.

The first was Turbo Pascal at Western University, and the second was Introduction to Computers at Durham College. That was about 10 years ago.

Right now, I have a very successful career in the computer industry.

Don't let set backs set you back. Use them to move forward.

-Cameron McKenzie

http://www.scja.com
http://www.pulpjava.com
 
Brad Clarke
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Joseph, I can somewhat relate to what you are feeling.

Where I work, the powers that be decided that everyone in our unit has to obtain Java certifications. I was asked in early June to write the Java 5 exam by the end of the month, as they had vouchers that were going to expire at the end of June and they would rather have someone use the voucher and possibly pass the exam vs letting the voucher go to waste. When I was asked to write the exam, I was at the end of chapter 3 in the K&B Book.

In a 3 week period I had to read 7 more chapters, absorb, and practice everything in the book, plus take a bunch of Whizlabs practice exams. I managed to do it, but it was very painful since I hadn't done much in Java in the last 2 years, let alone anything to do with Java 5.

I have the dubious distinction of being the first person in our group in over a year to fail the exam. I missed it by 4 questions.

Was I frustrated? You bet....I put a lot of time and effort into preparing for the exam, but it was not enough. By the time it came to write the exam, I was burned out from information overload. It's been a week since I wrote the exam, and there are things that I read and practiced that I am just now starting to fully understand now.

I'll try the exam again within the next month or so, after I have addressed the areas that I need to work on.

Find some good mock exams and use them. When you get a question wrong, figure out why you got it wrong. Write lots of little programs. This is where I went wrong. Due to my accelerated schedule, I didn't have the time to stop and address my problem areas.
 
Dave Walsh
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The key here might be that you are "with no prior knowledge of programming". I think that starting from scratch in software programming and trying to go for SCJP is a huge step.

My suggestion is to first learn a procedural language (like C). It will give you a very good programming basis. Then, you need to get acquainted with general object oriented development principles. C++ is a good language for that, especially if you have some C knowledge.

Do a a lot of coding through the whole process. Attend some formal classes too. You can then use all that knowledge to get into java specifics, like the ones required to pass SCJP.

[ July 07, 2007: Message edited by: Dave Walsh ]
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Kram Nart
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I failed an Intro to Computers course in University as well. When you are faced with something you've never come across before, it seems that much more difficult. But it gets easier, trust me. You just have to keep at it.
 
Joseph Zhou
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Hi Joseph,

I think you can find more mock exams before you try another one. If you can pass those mock ones at around 90, I believe you can pass the real one.

Another Joe
 
Hicham bucarri
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Hi joseph,
don't worry about your 3rd failure in scjp certification, specially if you know that the most intelligent man in history (Albert Einstein)
was a poor student, of average ability.
- He even failed seventh grade math
- At the age of 15, with poor grades in history, geography, and languages, he left school with no diploma.

More about Einstein in this link:
http://www.samsloan.com/einstein.htm
and you can find more articles about Einstein in goooooogle!

secondly, the scjp certification proves that you have a "BASIC" knowledge of the Java world, and if you has got this certification your professional life is not going to be changing greatly..

so take it easy and relax and when you feel ready, you can come back and try again studying the scjp (in depth this time)!

I hope that will encourage you!

Hicham!
 
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