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As Job Seekers, what catches your eye when looking through postings, what turns you off?
I've been told it is best to write "Just the Facts Mam" postings and others that border on comic book copy (ie. see Java GunSlingers in Jobs Offered), while the latter is fun to create, is it effective?
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For me the key is bucks. Every company wants to point out their stock options, benefits and how they're more of a family than a company. But so many recruiters are shy about the money - because they want to negotiate a fat margin for themselves.
I used to go to interviews and find out at the end that they're willing to cut my pay in half. What a waste of time! Now I make sure to get the money thing taken care of before I go to the interview.
If I see an ad where the bucks are too low, I skip it.
 
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What if the pay is open or negotiable? Sometimes we don't know (I admit with embarassment) what market is, especially if it is a new skill set to us....Do you reso\pond at all if the dollars are not listed?
 
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Your style really depends on what type of recruiter you want to be when you grow up. You obviously will never be an executive recruiter. Your style is a bit too juvenile for that. But you do fit in well with the "buckaroos" here at the ranch.
 
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Paul is right, money talks, everything else walks.
Every company, knows their pay scale for a specific position.
I know what I'm worth, as a programmer, in this region of the country and in my particular skill set and experience.
If the pay is too low, your wasting my time and yours. Better to get that clear before anything else.
 
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Originally posted by j2user:
You obviously will never be an executive recruiter. Your style is a bit too juvenile for that.


I can appreciate your vantage point.
Obviously, my demeanor is different when relating to different types of people. It is by design the style you observe befits this forum.
I've found that asking a twenty-something Web Wizard to chat up the value of Blue Chips and the DOW on the back nine is not the best way 'connect'. (in most cases)
I like to have fun when I do my job. Of the executives I've placed, all seem to appreciate a down to earth approach. Really no matter how 'polished' one may seem, they don't give a damn unless they know you do.
Most important to me is to be genuine. Sure a fat salary or hourly rate will get attention, but sure as shootin' that they can see insincere once they work with you.
[This message has been edited by Patrick Krook (edited May 16, 2000).]
 
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I think there is a differnce between humor with class and humor that doesn't work.
Any clod can post a message that says "here's the info" - it takes guts, style and wit to post something interesting.
I work with only the classiest recruiting firms because I charge serious money. I'm in no way turned off by Patrick's message. In fact, I think Patrick looks a lot more intellegent than the recruiters that just upload canned messages.
As for "What if the pay is open or negotiable?": If I see a rate that isn't too far off from my rate, I'll drop a line and point out my rate. Almost all of my current gigs get worked out from something like that.
If I'm currently looking, I might send the recruiter an e-mail asking if they can possibly meet my rate even if they did not mention a price. But to get my attention - the price has to already be listed.
 
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I include my salary requirements on my resume. Presumably an employer won't waste my time and theirs with an interview if they can't meet those requirements.
E.g. Sarary Requirements: $85-100k depending on benefits
 
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Good point! Many of the Job Boards out there have a field job seekers can put that information in to. It is a handy tool for screening out people too junior for what you are looking for too.
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Patrick,
Having sorted through several dozen job offers this week, I can offer you my thoughts.
Anything that had a gimmicky title like "JAVA JAVA JAVA" or "JAVA SUPERSTARS" was dumped immediately. Anything with too many capital letters or exclamation points in the body I also didn't look at - this is supposed to announce a job, not a monster truck rally.
The posts where the grammar and misspelling were atrocious, I figured, would not make good representatives for me. Also I went to web sites. They didn't have to be great, but anything that looks like it was made with FrontPage in two hours I also skipped. It's worth noting that the one agency I bumped into, whose web site was truly nice, was also by far the most promising to deal with.
On a slightly more technical point, I'm looking for a junior position so I looked most closely at anything that mentioned that in the title, and skimmed ones that didn't.
Other than that, I didn't care too much if the prose was feel-good style "are you looking for a great opportunity..." or more straightforward "bulge-bracket NYC bank looking for...", as long as it was clear the person proofread the darn thing and they had some idea what they were selling.

Eric B.
 
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