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Anonymous
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some how when I read the discussions on the ranch abt
java jobs (wanted, offered, discussions) I got a feeling
that people suggest that its difficult to make a shift
into java even for a person who has a SCJP. I don't mean
to say that having SCJP is enough qualification. But being
SCJP IMO, should have an edge.
Is this true in reality?
In the jobs wanted discussions, I saw that the there is not
much of an interaction. Has anyone used these discussions to
really get into a job ?
Trying to understand how these work.
Regds.
- satya
 
Eric Barnhill
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Satya,
I know after I got my SCJP I was planning to study for a lot longer. But a friend of mine who has about 1 year of experience in the same market, said getting certified was plenty of qualification for a junior or entry-level position. And I knew another SCJP without experience who got placed, although his commute was not so great (Manhattan to Westchester). My experience seems to bear out his advice, and I did get people who were interested in me. I'm in NYC if that makes a difference.
By the way, you're such an old timer at the ranch, how about using your whole name? Just a suggestion.
Eric
 
Fred Abbot
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in my opinion the certification alone is not worth the paper its written on you will never get a job with just certification
you could barely write a application with the knowledge the cert. is based upon
 
Angela Poynton
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I disagree, I can't see employers totally disregarding certification. OK if you havn't got the commercial experience then you're not so attractive to employers, but as was said earlier, certification should be enough to get you a junior position.
I got my job (as a Trainee Developer)with NO programming experience at all. (I was VERY lucky) So surely employers would find some attration to someone who has had worked hard (often in their spare time) to gain certification.
Another way to sell yourself to employers is to create an online c.v. Include any applets / applications you have written ... show em what you're capable of!!
[This message has been edited by Angela Poynton (edited June 14, 2000).]
 
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Eric:
old timer .... huh....
yup I agree, I am an old timer. My actual name is
Madhav Lakkapragada. no don't try to say my last name,
if you can't I understand. However, if you want to try,
break it after each 'a' and say the syllabuls .
I am currently in Cincinnati, OH. As I posted earlier
I did all this on my own.....no training (I am proud
of what I achieved)....no on the job java work...nothing.
Its, all from my personal interest for OO. Recently I knew
there are other on the ranch (Herbert) who did the same.
I may be a bartender sometime, Paul was asking me and I said
yes and opened my account. But am waiting for Paul to
get it started. satya is my middle name, never used it so
I thought I will use it here and I guess it paid off very
well.
Fred: I agree with you that cert is not enough, but having
SCJP has some value, right ?
Angela: Thanks for the tip. I think I should set-up a web page
with some applets and some links to the best of my posts on
the ranch .....
Anyother tips ..........
Regds.
- satya/madhav
 
Fred Abbot
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well of course it has value but its just the fundamentals now you gotta know servlets ejb jsp etc....
if your intrested in client side the scjp is a little bit better but you still need swing
good luck
 
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Satya,
I blessed your new account the day you sent me the message. I thought we had you all set up. Not so?
Please forward to me the last e-mail you sent so we can finalize this.
 
Madhav Lakkapragada
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Fred:
I plan for one thing at a time. Remember the OO principles
One class One responsibility
Paul:
I never found my name in the list so I thought its not yet
set-up. Check this out.
Regds.
- satya/madhav
 
Eric Barnhill
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Obviously my experience pales to most around here, but I really have seen no evidence that the SCJP is not worth the paper it's written on in any case. I had one woman, from a very hip web firm, tell me she could "shower me with junior offers". I got two calls today from other people with specific jobs in mind. Maybe it helps that I have a background in web design but I don't think so.
Eric B.
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Steven YaegerII
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Hi Eric,
Do you have a degree in web development? Do you have an opinion on the minimum skills needed to start looking for a similiar job.
I like messing with HTML in my spare time. The local college is getting a diploma in web development next year but without it, is there something out there a person could use to evaluate their fitness for such a job.
Thanks, Steve
 
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Satya,
I am just in a situation exactly like you.However I want to tell you that the certification you have has some value.I have had my resume on the internet for three months but it had never been noticed until just last week when I got certified and updated it.The only reason I can not find employment in America is because I am a foreigner and have no work permit and as such I need sponsorship.Otherwise since my certification I get an average of four calls a day, plus bounteous email from those attracted by my updated by my CV.
Good luck,
Herbert.
 
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Herbert:
so where on the net is your resume, can I have a look at it....
May be I can give you a call and have a mock interview...
See I am a little scared to put it on the net since everyone
keeps calling...I want to be very picky abt the company I work
for....I don't want to get into a company since they pay more or
something like that....I know the troubles (?) of a foreigner...
Regds.
- satya
 
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I have a resume web site. After a recruiter has met my requirements, I tell her/him where the web site is. I don't want any data miners to have my resume. Only recruiters taht I think have an actual gig in hand at that moment that would be a good fit for me.
Some recruiters want your resume so they can just call your managers and say "Hi! Need any Java people? I got your name off of Paul Wheaton's resume." Then when a legit person calls for a reference, the manager hates my guts.
Another thing: If a company ever asks me to fill out a form BEFORE an interview, I walk out: "I'm sorry, I'm looking for a more professional organization to represent me." Forms are for when you don't have a resume - like when you apply to work at McDonalds.
When I was a bit more junior, I filled out the damn forms. No form company has ever landed me a gig. Usually, they are just data mining, only they are too damn lazy to find the information on your resume. You get to spend a half hour filling out a form to save some minimum wage data entry person five minutes.

 
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Hi Steven,
I do not have a degree in web development. I just got started by volunteering to do a site for a public agency that is short on cash. Then I went to some acquaintances of mine at a small law firm that didn't have a site, and said "hey, look at my site!", and signed up their business, and they gave me two more law firm jobs, and so on like that. Obviously it helped that I knew them in advance. But now I have a decent amount of experience.
I think the best credentials for doing web work are sites on the net that people can look up on their computer and say, "hey, he did that." The easiest credentials, too.
Eric
 
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"people suggest that its difficult to make a shift into java even for a person who has a SCJP"
It was not difficult for me. However, I have had professional Object Oriented experience since 1993. Having the SCJP helped.
Making a list of companies that use Java helps. In Colorado Springs, such a list exists now.
http://www.ppjdg.org/PPJDG_Companies.html
I suggest every local Java community should maintain such a list. There are even Colorado Springs companies that are developing Java related products that are not on that list. By the way.. if you know of some, please email me at finney@ACM.org . I'll try to get them on the list.
Compaq is one.

[This message has been edited by Michael Finney (edited September 23, 2000).]
 
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