does anyone know about this place (chubb institute). i really need to increase my skill set and was considering it. recently changed careers, and am studying for java certification, but that alone is not gonna be enough (i dont think). any help would be appreciated. heres the link: http://www.chubbinstitute.com/ict/tci/webdev.htm [This message has been edited by jay burton (edited December 22, 2000).] [This message has been edited by jay burton (edited December 22, 2000).]
Jay: I looked at the Chubb link that you provided. Seems like a good deal. Make sure though, that they do not spend 90% of their time on HTML (easy to learn and therefore easy to teach). Also, get names/phone numbers of former students (school should provide this) - and call them up and see how they felt about the school - and also how their job search went along. Note: Don't just rely on the placement figures that Chubb provides in their sales pitch. You gotta do your homework on this one. Go sit in on one or two sessions before signing up. Meet with and talk to the students. The reason you need to do some research on this is that there seems to be alot of "ripoff" 18 month computer schools out there that promise $60K/yr as a website developer. I refer you to www.jobcircle.com (look for discussion area link on left side of page). I realize it's a crying wall - but you can get some insight of what not to do. If Chubb is going to teach you Java, Servlets, EJB - and I mean really, really teach you - then go for it. This is the heart and soul of Java today - surprisingly there is no certification exam for EJB or Servlets. Getting back to Chubb; the EJB should be an entire class unto itself - not just tacked onto the end of a 6 week Java class. The same applies to the Servlet part. Also, ask to see sample EJB and Servlet projects that the students completed. If Chubb refuses to provide this - then walk away. Just my two cents. John Coxey (email@example.com) [This message has been edited by John Coxey (edited December 25, 2000).]
Jay - I actually "graduated" from one of the Chubb Institute programs, so I think I can give you the info you were looking for. I attended their Top Gun program from May 99 - Aug. 99. The program was a four month intensive training program in Client/Server technologies. This program was a little different than the one you were looking into, as it was full time and there wasn't any cost to the student. Instead, Chubb was given the opportunity to place you in a contract position for up to nine months following completion of the program. During this time they would take a portion of your contracting fee to cover the cost of the program. If you look on their website, you can find more information about this particular program. Anyways, before taking this program I was in computer sales. Like you, I wanted to make a change but didn't want to go back for another undergrad degree. I came across Chubb in a newspaper ad and thought I would give it a try. The training provided during the four months was excellent, and I was placed at a leading consulting firm upon graduation from the program (I'm still with the company now on a full-time basis doing Java development). The topics were covered in depth - in my class we would spend 2-4 weeks on a particular language (class would run 8am-4pm Mon-Fri). The typical day would be split between lecture in the morning and lab assignments in the afternoon. There was also homework every evening. Sure, you won't learn everything, but you will learn the fundamentals. When you are being staffed, they try to match you with a company that will place you with a mentor to help further your career along. The only drawback to the program is with the placement assistance. I was lucky, as I made the contact with my current company on my own and then told the recruiters at Chubb, who then finalized the agreement. At the same time, there were other people from my program who were not placed in the three months following the program and were released from the contract. They could then seek their own employment without any fees due to Chubb. One thing I would recommend doing is to get placement info for your particular area. I remember them quoting something like 98% placement upon completion of the program. This is a true statistic, but it is a national average for the company (we found this out later). Try and find out their local statistics and which companies they are working with in your area. Hope that info helps. Please let me know if you have any other questions. Good luck! Chris
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Does anyone know if Chubb still has this "Top Gun" program which offers free training in exchange for 9 months of consulting? I went to their office and got a brochure and introduction but it was pretty expensive (over $10K, I believe) and they didn't say anything about this "free" program.
David - It has been over a year and a half since I went through the Top Gun program, so I don't know if it is still around or not. However, I did some checking on Chubb's website and found this link that discusses the program (and leads me to believe that it is still being offered). http://www.chubbinstitute.com/ICT/topgun/default.htm