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Some doubts about JAVA

 
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Hi,
I had some doubts...........yeasterday I met a few friends of mine...........we were all discussing about the technologies............ one of my friend is learning in Seed (Comp. Inst.)...........there the Lecturer told them........that JAVA is dying out...........as VB 8.0 is in.......I dont agree..........to this.....
Can u enlighten me on this.......
I want to know what is the life of JAVA as such..
I am sorry if I have assked some stupid question
Kajol Shroff
 
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I am new in this site, same question I had asked a few days back,albeit no one replied, Through previous discussions, I concluded that now a days java market is slightly down, but it is not that it will be so for ever, still there is a huge demand of java professional.Java is not a small thing, You can do a lot in java.I have 2 and half years experience in java, and u know whereever I apply I get call for interview with almost 90% strike rate.Many companies emphasize on tel. interview also.So I dont think that java market will go down in near future.Ranchites correct me if I am wrong
 
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Thanks Pawan,
FOr ur reply....Guys can anyone else also reply on this....
Kajol
 
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Visual Basic 8.0 is coming out!?? OH NOO!!
The DEATH of Java is assured then! If only VB would have stayed at version 7 we Java programmers would have been able to keep our jobs!!
I'm devastated... .NET!! (I mean NOT!!)
The Micro$haft pseudo "evangelist" referred to does not even know NOT to mentioned VB and DO mention C# as a competition to Java. This "Lecturer" is lacking.
But that's what you should expect in a climate where the demand for "high tech" programming experience is so high that you have "the blind leading the blind" as presumed "lecturers".
Buyer be ware and I hope nobody in that lecture paid any of their own money to take it. If so, you could have used your money better by cutting the lecture and going to see "Thirteen Days" or some other movie.
I am surrounded by VB/ASP programmers at work (I am a Java e-commerce Web app developer) and none of them are too excited about .NET... They have seen MS Vaporware before. And they also recognize that C# is a "Johnny-come-lately" imitation of Java. And that VB doesn't stand up to Java no matter what version of VB.
VB is BASIC after all. "No real programmer programs in BASIC past age 12!". That's an old assembly language programmer (like I was) joke.
As Seinfeld's Soup Nazi would have told the concerned above:
"No More Soup For You!   NEXT!!"
 
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Hi Tony,
Thanks for ur valuable suggestion...since I am a begineer so these doubts are there to arise in my mind...I think???
I hope u dont mind....
All I want is just proper guidance...as there are many who say all rubbish things in order to market their product....
Can u please let me know the situation of the market there...
I am really eager to make my career in JAVA....
Please do reply....
It was really nice of u...
Thanks
Kajol
 
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Sorry to seee that there are not much replies for my doubts ....
Have I asked soemthing really stupid....
Acrually I am a beginner so had some doubts....
Kajol
 
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You have to just look for jobs on the net to understand the market for Java Programmers. Just study hard and quick. Look at Maha's page: http://www.javaranch.com/maha/
to get insight into how to prepare for the job market.
And of course, if you are a student then study hard and do projects (if the class doesn't have projects, do your own projects).
Shama
 
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Kajol,
I wouldn't say the JAVA market is dead, nor does it seem to be heading that way, at least in my area. In the Baltimore / Washington, DC / Northern Virginia areas, there are no shortage of jobs. A search of the job section on washingtonpost.com returned over 500 hits, but 500 hits is the max they can return so who knows how many job ads there really are.
I do think you will find it difficult to get into the business if you ONLY know Java. Most employers are looking for people with a mix of programming skills, Java being among them. If you have your BS in Computer Science (or a related area), and a little bit of experience, you shouldn't have any problems finding employment.
I think it's important to decide what area of computing you want to get into, and make sure your skills and experiece match that area. For example, if you wanted to be a web application developer, your skill mix may include HTML/DHTML, JavaScript, CSS, Java (including servlets, jsp, jdbc, jndi, etc...), SQL (often PL/SQL), RDMS (usually Oracle), ASP/VB, CGI/Perl, PHP, as well as experience using software that harnesses these technologies.
The other thing to keep in mind is that in my experience, once you get into a certain area of programming, you're pretty much stuck there . In my case, I worked at a job where I was able to take on the organization's web page as part of my responsibilities. From there I taught myself Perl and CGI, and started writing CGI scripts that the bosses liked. Then I started on my BS in Comp Sci. When it was time for me to find another job, even though by that time I knew Assembly, C++, C, RDMS, and a host of other stuff, people ONLY were interested in using me as a web developer. The company I hired on with wanted me to do web development mainly using servlets and jsp, even though my I didn't know much Java at the time.
I guess the point I'm trying to make is that your education and overall experience will be more important than just being a good Java programmer.
Jay
[This message has been edited by Jason Menard (edited February 07, 2001).]
 
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You're right Tony...twelve was around the time I moved from BASIC to Pascal. It might have been eleven and a half. True!
Eric
 
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Thanks a lot ,,,
Jason and Shama Khan.... I just needed some assurance ....
I will definately get back to study and would concentrate on JAVA currently and slowly with other technologies once I get a feel og JAVA
Sorry Eric...........I didnt get u...
Tony I saw ur hoem page it was really nice I also saw ur JAVA work.... cool.........i really liked it..
Thanks a lot
If some one else can also reply That would be really nice
Kajol
 
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Thanks Kajol for looking at my beginner Java work which helped me get two interviews in 6 days
For those interested, the aforementioned Web site is:
Tony's Java Student Page.
OK, now...
ADDENDUM: As for the "VB 8" that someone mentioned earlier in this thread...
There is no "Version 8". So I don't know what this "lecturer" was talking about.
Maybe it was the original poster that made a mistake with the versions.
According to the VB/ASP senior programmers who surround me at work (and who are looking at learning Java before it's too late) the current version of VB (Visual Basic) is 6 and that the next one will be called "VB NET" or similar, in honor of the environment in which it will be running: .NET.
At the moment, no one can really count as high as 8 (as in VB 8).
 
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I'm devastated... .NET!! (I mean NOT!!)


! Tony, do you know Russian? I am impressed!
"NET" in Russian means "not"...
 
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Thanks Tony,
Thanks a lot all u guys....That was really good of all you guys
Kajol
 
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Map: I thought "No" was "Nyet". Yes?
Anyway, some call Microsoft's new initiative
.NOT

[This message has been edited by Tony Alicea (edited February 09, 2001).]
 
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The problem MS now faces is the realization of the OO dream -
reuse. There are so many different entities supporting so
many different aspects of Java that to try and usurp it is
impossible. That's why MS was touting this translator from
Java to C#. They know they can't take a platform and build
it up to compete with Java - they have to be able to map it
over to their stuff.
 
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Here's a hypothetical question.
IF .net takes off and you can make a lot of money doing it, would you make the switch?
Okay, I don't like working on M$ products, but if I get paid doing it I'll switch.
-Peter
 
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Oohhh...I think I just lost all hope of ever being promoted to Sheriff with the previous post.
 
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IMHO not at all. One of the freedoms that we naturally have is the freedom to be wrong sometimes
Ha ha!
 
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