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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
or java AND mainframe
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Originally posted by Cindy Glass:
I do have to say that alot of companies are getting pickier about what comes packaged WITH their java programmer. They are looking for folks with java AND c++, or java AND mainframe, or java AND Oracle, or (and I hate to say this) java AND Microsoft Office expertise etc. Java is so prevailant that it is used in combination with a zillion other things and those things need to be managed and maintained also.
So if you JUST know java you are going to be hard put to compete with those that have a broader IT background.
Originally posted by mohit joshi:
[...] After all, the people who write these books dont just wake up one day and do it, they have been programming for years, [...]
Originally posted by David Touchshriek:
Pan,
I have a read a couple of posts by you in the forums and always in the same angry, frustrated tone. Why do you think that the certifications add up to memorizing a bunch of useless facts? Certainly this is not the case of the developer exam. You can be a good programmer and still learn a lot while doing the certifications especially when it comes to design patterns or refactoring your code.
You can't just sit down and program with no knowledge of OO. If you are going to do that then don't use Java. To acquire some decent OO skills requires not only endless hours of programming but also endless hours of studying the literature and looking at well design-code trying to assimilate the key concepts that will make you a better designer.
I definitely hope that people interviewing for jobs have a little broader understanding of what it takes to be a good OO programmer than what you seem to possess.
[This message has been edited by David Touchshriek (edited March 16, 2001).]
[This message has been edited by David Touchshriek (edited March 16, 2001).]
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