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Java is dead

 
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DEAR FELLOWS ,
JAVA is Dead ,The Dot com crash has smeared Java.
WHat to do next?
 
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Java is not dead. People who used Java without any solid/clear/proper business goals went into loss. There are lots of success stories who used/uses Java with right goals.
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Wht Next..?
Join for Condolences.. pay sympathy to Java and its family..
Help to erect a 'Mahal' in memory of Java. Then we can call it as
'Java Mahal' and who knows, it may be eighth wonder in the world.
We will show the world how much we loved Java..
Or atleast maintain silence for two minutes and start learning any new language.. which u expect, will give all things u wanted..
Cool..
Saran
 
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Java is dead? I don't know what to say.... We talked only yesterday. This is very sudden. Java left so many little APIs behind too... Who's going to care for them?
You say Java died in a crash? I hope Java didn't suffer too much. When is the funeral? Will it be public or private? Will it be open or closed casket? Those poor, poor APIs.
Java, you were in a class by yourself. You've touched the threads of so many lives. I know how large your family extends and how you've always protected them, and that you will provide for them in your inheritance. You had many great attributes, but somehow there must be a method to all this.
Java you will be missed.
 
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Very clever Jason,
I feel your pain
 
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Super Jason, you implemented the feelings of the javaranch extended
family.
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That's funny, there still seems to be lots of Java jobs available.
Java is not dead.
Java is not MIA.
Java has a future.
Especially consider the maturation of JINI/RMI/JDOM. Servlet/JDBC seems to be happily married for now.
Gone are the days of getting jobs for knowing how to spell JAVA.
Oh, yeah, and JSPs and Servlets and stuff (since that is the forum)
Gone are the days of getting raises for knowing when to say JAVA.
Gone are the days of impossible revenue models with copious base funding.
I'm not saying don't learn other languages/technologies, but Java has yet to reach its pinnacle and I don't see any serious decline in the near future.
The Economy in general has slowed, effecting most sectors. Reading a newspaper will tell you that technology isn't the only place people are getting layed off.
Furthermore, computers are not going to anywhere, and as long as people are using computers, then there will be a need for programs. Implying a need for programmers. Programming is (or should be) based on sound principles. In general, these principles extend beyond the language, and the same principles apply if you are writing in VB, C++, python, ada, java or whatever.
If you have what it takes to program in Java, you should be able to program in any language or environment. If you can't adapt, this is most probably because you learned a few programming techniques, instead of understanding the principles behind the technique.
Finally, if java is so dead, how come the Java Ranch message boards have this much activity?
I think I may have added more than 2 cents, oh well.
Andrew

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IMHO, I guess its time me move this thread to the
Job Discussions forum.
Sheriffs anyone around...
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'Jobs Discussion' forum is more suitable. This thread is moved there.
regds
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There are two ways available to us administrators of JavaRanch for dealing with the obsolete and tired thread "Java Is Dead".
1) We can go on allowing and worse, answering the same questions (more precisely contributing to irrelevant threads and as such occupying more disk space on our server) or:
2) We can delete them on sight. With or without recommendations to the fact that users can SEARCH the site for comments on that.
On the other hand, we may have unlimited disk space... I don't know. Do We?
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Quoting Tom Cruise:
"Anyone got the number for that truck driving school? "
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)
PS - Trivia Question? What was the name of the movie?
 
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John,
Days of Thunder? Just a guess from me.
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Peter:
Nope: "Top Guns"
Was right after Tom Cruise had done the "hotdogging stunt" where he does a fly-by the control tower in his F-15/F-18. Cruise and his partner are outside some bigshot's office when he asks his co-pilot/navigator for the truck driving school number.
John Coxey
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Originally posted by John Coxey:
Peter:
Nope: "Top Guns"
Was right after Tom Cruise had done the "hotdogging stunt" where he does a fly-by the control tower in his F-15/F-18. Cruise and his partner are outside some bigshot's office when he asks his co-pilot/navigator for the truck driving school number.
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)



HATE to nitpick.. but it was an F-14 . F-15 is flown by USAF, F-14 by USN, F-18 by USN and USMC.
I now return you to your regularly scheduled discussion.
 
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Jason Menard:
Well at least I didn't say B-52.
Had a real treat today. Decided to go to USAF Academy in Colorado Springs for 11:00AM church service. Not a whole lot of people there - but was neat.
I am definitely getting old. Saw all these "kids" in uniform, look like they should be in the 10th grade - not in the military already.
Anyhow, was a great experience. Definitely recommend a tour of the place to anyone in the area.
NOW - We can go back to our regularly scheduled program
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.co)
 
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i hate to nitpick, too... but "maverick" (tom cruise) didn't say it, "goose" (nick bradshaw) did.

Originally posted by John Coxey:
Quoting Tom Cruise:
"Anyone got the number for that truck driving school? "
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)
PS - Trivia Question? What was the name of the movie?


 
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i hate to nitpick, too... but "maverick" (tom cruise) didn't say it, "goose" (nick bradshaw) did.


You may be right, but my nitpick (a true nitpick) is that your post is confusing. Nick Bradshaw was the character's name. Anthony Edwards (yes, of ER fame) was the name of the actor playing "goose".
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The heck with it, let's make this a Top Gun thread -- who needs another "Java is dead" thread anyway? Besides Top Gun was a work of genius, the birth of the modern American Hollywood action flick.
I'll tell you what always intrigued me about Top Gun -- when they're in the air, the say everything exactly twice. Now, is that common practice in the Air Force? To say it exactly twice, and not one, three or four times? I'd be curious to know.
 
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okay, top gun thread it is...
are you talking about them repeating what the other person said? while i was in the navy we would sometimes repeat transmissions in order to ensure it was received correctly. but i was on a ship... pilots do it a little different than we do.
maybe we should move this to meaningless drivel before it gets out of hand?
 
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Greg:
Five bucks says as soon as it gets moved to "Meaningless Drivel" someone will start another "Java is Dead" discussion.
John Coxey
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Java has been dead for a year and half now. I still miss Java!
At least those poor little APIs have been doing well. I just saw them over at the Sun site and they are getting bigger and bigger.
 
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TO those who think Java is dead ---
Jesus was dead once before, do you know what happened to him after he died ?
 
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Wow, what an enlightening thread this has turned out to be. Just thought I would browse real quickly before heading home, after writing Java code all day, and discovered it was dead. It's like the twilight zone or something. I have be writing a dead language all day. Then the subject turns to "Top Gun", and I am really bewildered. I don't know whether to cry or salute... Does this mean I'm off Monday ?
 
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Java is dead. There are more Java developers than there are attorneys. Java is a great language, however, it's entirely to many developers out there doing it and the rest are looking or doing something else. I for one gave up on Java a long time ago and move to .NET and C#. Don't knock it until you try it. I don't care if the demand for Java did for some reason come back, I would stay with .Net because you can't loose with Microsoft and I for one feel that in 2003 you'll see a lot of companies moving to .NET and scrapping their Java applications. Matter of fact it's happening already with a few big corporations in Southern California.
 
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MS had settle the anti-trust case, but i would says that they may not survive if you consider the IBM case in 1985, they had same anti-trust case and after settlement of 5 yrs they are out of cash and in loss for atleast 5ys, and they get back with websphere(java). IBM use to do same thing with PC market, as today MS is doing with there OS(try to monopolize).
MS already have J# but as whole dotnet is not accepted at corporate level,@ indivisual level user may have .net and xp on his/her home PC but hardly found in offices.
Did u know all peoples or companies in JCP and Liberty Project using java as there base language for any type of development.
look for www.jcp.org and www.projectliberty.org
Have good day with java
 
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Originally posted by ameem sami:
DEAR FELLOWS ,
JAVA is Dead ,The Dot com crash has smeared Java.
WHat to do next?


someone shoudl of told the PocketPC team or the windows Ce team.. they are still not number one on mobile devices..java is though..
Once again dead politicans get voted in..
so glad Bill Gates did not die yet or Ms for that matter
 
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Just came across this thread from almost 2 decades ago. I want to assure you guys that Java flourished really well all these years and is still going very strong. It is still the most popular programming language out there and is running on over a billion devices.
 
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It's only the past that is dead, but that is only because I am leaning the Gondoliers by Gilbert and Sullivan.
And welcome to the Ranch
 
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blue lurker wrote:Just came across this thread from almost 2 decades ago. I want to assure you guys that Java flourished really well all these years and is still going very strong. It is still the most popular programming language out there and is running on over a billion devices.


indeed two interviews both for java programmers, much alive
 
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