Hi, This is probably my first mail in this forum.I am pursuing Jcert Certification from Oracle.Would be becoming an Oracle Certified Java Developer (Solution and Enterprise) by June 2nd week(I still have to take Test 486 :IBM Object-oriented Analysis and Design with UML - almost at the end of preparation ).I have about 3 years of Industry experience. Would like to know about the kind of jobs and the salaries that I can ask for for international opportunities. Thanks in advance. Regards, Sandeep
Sun Certified Programmer for Java 2 PlatformScored 93 per cent
Oracle JDeveloper Rel. 3.0 - Develop Database Applications with Java Scored 56 out of 59
IBM Enterprise Connectivity with J2EE Scored 72 per cent
Enterprise Development on the Oracle Internet Platform Scored 44 out of 56
[This message has been edited by Desai Sandeep (edited May 31, 2001).]
there's hardly anything left for you to do :-) (saw your certitications) I was just wondering why you did'nt go the Sun' way though. programmer-developer-architect. I'm sun certified for programming and developing and hope to work on architect sometime (s'd be difficult!). But the OOAD thing u have chosen s'd be great ? But i thought it 's always better to get the certificn from the creators for it's more valued?. karthik.
Hi Karthik, I always believed that the Jcert track is more valued (or should I say more relevant) than the Sun's three Certification Track.The primary reason is the Jcert track makes you more productive from the employer's point of view. For instance, if you compare Sun Developer Certification (Level 2 of Sun) with Oracle Certified Solution Developer -Oracle JDeveloper IDE (Level 2 of Jcert), taking the latter would mean you have gained skills in an actual production environment tool used in the industry.The former Certification means you have acquired good Java development skills (with or without using IDE).To be realistic, you would still need to master an IDE after Sun Developer Title, since most production shops believe in Rapid Application Development(RAD) in todays' world of delivering quality in limited span of time. Earlier, I was under the impression that I would take the Sun's Track and learn any IDE with the job.But when I started with JDeveloper IDE, I realised, it is not as easy as it seems to be.Learning a production quality IDE offers a steep learning curve and that too over and above learning the primary language (Java). You also have to get accustomed with the vendors specific technologies/packages which is not easy at all.I was taken by surprise when I started with this IDE.It was then I decided to go for the Jcert track instead of Sun's track. Also, if you compare Level 2 of both the tracks, Jcert tests you on far more technologies/concepts compared to Sun Developer Track.At the outset, you are tested on OOAD with UML at Level 2.The OOAD test is absent in Sun's Level 2 and can not be even compared to Level 3 (SCJEA Part 1).The Sun Architect (Part 1) test just covers a part of OOAD, although Part 2 allows you get some hands-on on it. Also Jcert Level 3 Skill 3A - Enterprise Development with J2EE is as good as SCJEA Part 1.Take that test and you would realize what I mean.It is a real challenge and I am sure you would enjoy it .I know a person who cleared SCJEA Part 1 and could not clear this IBM test.And Jcert Skill 3B would allow you to gain skills on an Application Server - an in-thing which donot even acquire after passing the Sun's Architect track. I am not saying that Sun's track is not worth it.Infact, it is best to learn pure Java from the creator itself.And one has to learn it to gain more profiency in the language.However, this can be acquired slowly over a period of time.The immediate requirement would be to make yourself indispensible for the industry and there is no Certification better than Jcert for it.Having said that we would need to choose the vendor carefully as tools can become obselete in no time.I am planning to take Sun's Developer and Architect test only next year.I have marked this year for getting IBM equivalent Jcert titles (4 tests for IBM products - 2 tests on IBM Visual Age and 2 tests on IBM Websphere Application Server for Level 2 and Level 3 respectively).If time permits, may just squeeze in IBM XML Certification test too.Ofcourse, this would be after I pass the OOAD with UML test. Do let me know your views on this. Thanks, Sandeep [This message has been edited by Desai Sandeep (edited June 02, 2001).]
sandeep, thanks a lot for the information. Yes it definitely makes sense to train on an IDE. + the UML: thing you were talking about. and it's pretty much true that the sun developer's exam has nothing to do with any database let alone app server skills. The company i work for is kind of oblivious to IDE related things for everyone of us still use VIM for editing...sounds silly ?:-). But we still are one of the best server-side java solution provider in Bangalore. :-)..just kidding. So i have never got to work on a IDE atleast professionally. IBM Visual Age is the best as of now ?? heard that it's too good. Forte sucks. Am sure IBM's OOAD must be quite challenging. Right now am concentrating on IBM's XML cert and hope to start off on OOAD once am done with this. just checked out www.jcert.org It seems IBM's OOAD is a pre requisite in addition to programmer's certification? And yeah by the way i work in India, and tell u what from what i have seen here, they don't even bother about the certifications. I did it just to have a focus , to learn and stuff like that. In the US i guess it matters a lot. Let's see sometime i hope to join the Jcert bandwagon. so OOAD test seems to be the place to start from. Good luck sandeep. karthik.
Hi Sandeep/ kartik Sounds really gr88.. hey guys I need to know more about the certifications .. Specially Sandeep... can u tell me ...the course duration.. and how its beneficial for the following courses: Oracle JDeveloper Rel. 3.0 - Develop Database Applications with Java IBM Enterprise Connectivity with J2EE Enterprise Development on the Oracle Internet Platform Can u guys please guide me on this.. Kajol
Hi Kajol, From what I have gone through, no institute is able to teach to level of your satisfaction.I wouldn't encourage you to join any course for the Certification Track. No one in my batch, who had joined was able to complete the Certification.I am the only person who was adamant and went for it.I can not give the credit to the institute.They only made my life miserable. If you are keen to get certified, I would suggest you visit the required JavaRanch forums regularly.Sharing and learning is the best way to get Certified. I had done the following Certifications, all by my own.It was a terrible experience.But just managed to keep going.
Oracle JDeveloper Rel. 3.0 - Develop Database Applications with Java
IBM Enterprise Connectivity with J2EE
Enterprise Development on the Oracle Internet Platform
Never knew at that time that such a forum exists.Had I known about it things would have moved faster. Hope this helps you to get started and decide your Certification plans. Thanks, Sandeep
Thanks Sandeep a lot, I should say to you... GOod going!!! Can you tell me where do I have to apply for the certifications and whats the duration for each certification... If you dont mind can you tell me more about you.. like what are currently working on.. How was it when you started coding for the first time... If you dont mind please share your experience with me... Kajol
Hi Kajol, I apologize for the delay in reply.I am busy with the IBM UML test at the moment. To give you a background about myself, I have about 3 years (31 months to be precise ) in the IT industry.I am a B.E (Civil) from R.E.C, Jaipur, with a Masters in Construction Management from NICMAR,Pune.Although my basic education was related to Civil, I have always been working in the IT field from the beginning. Out of the 3 years of Industry experience that I have, I have worked essentially on Mainframe Technologies (to be precise on a customization/implementation/maintenance of a Credit card Application Package called VisionPLUS by Paysys Inc.,US which is developed using COBOL).I have worked for Mahindra Realty (Mumbai),Kanbay Software(Pune),ANZ Information Technology(Bangalore) and Avesta Computer Services (US-based firm.However,I am working from my residence for them in Mumbai currently!). I have been involved in developing about 8 small assignments using Oracle-Java Technologies for Avesta's intranet based application.I have worked on all these assignments on an independent basis without any external help.All these assignments are based on evaluating Oracle specific Java technologies on performance/scalability etc.It has been good so far, until I heard that my US departure (am currently on H1B!) has been delayed due to slack in the US.To keep myself busy (and not get disturbed!) till my US departure, I have been actively pursuing the Oracle Jcert Certification.Am taking the last test of this track on UML, by end of next week. Please refer to Jcert Initiative for the Certification Track I am pursuing.Also, you could take this test at any Prometric Testing Center in India (NIIT,Boston,Bitech,Aptech to name a few!).You can go to these institutes personally and register yourself for the test.The Testing Center would give you a Registration Coupon for this.You can later on book a date for the test, 4 business days in advance to take the test. Hope, this gives you some information on my background.Do let me know if I could be of some help to you. Thanks, Sandeep [This message has been edited by Desai Sandeep (edited June 07, 2001).]
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