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I am a JCP (94%), have developed sites using JSP, Servlets, JDBC, JavaScript, HTML, DHTML. I also have good knowledge of Oracle.
Last year when I went for interviews most of the people said that you don't know java, so we are sorry. Now i am a JCP with 94% score and have done JSP, servlets, jdbc etc and now they say that you have not done beans or xml or EJB etc etc.
What should I do? Should i do EJB, XML etc.? Can't I get a job on the basis of what i have done???
please suggest
atul
 
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You should be able to get a job.
I think you should focus on your interviewing skill.
 
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no need boss ,...... what you've done is more than enough ......
rejection by the interviewer just enforces the fact that the job had alerady been given to sombody else .... that is why your presence in the company is not necessary.
by the way .... does that happen to you only once or always .
if always , then i think there must be a prob in your verbal skills .
tell me more .
 
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Forget about the verbal skills (I am good at it), I don't even get called for interview. May be as I mention my experience to be between 6 months and 1 year.
One of my friends had an exp of 6 nmonths and mentioned it to be more than 2 years. Guess what, he got a job as developer. I am not good at cheating, that is why I am still without a job??
 
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Atul's experience matches with me quite well.I passed SCJP(91%).
now what further.my objective is to get a java job.what more do I need to do now?I am homemaker rt now.What other skills do I need to develop to that'll help me get a java job.is it possible to learn EJB from home setup.
 
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Dear Friends
Today just being an SCJP is not enough to get a Java Job though it is the fundamental requirement .Java has matured more on the Server Side and it is being used more as a middle ware .So you have to try to learn the Server Side Java like JSP ,EJB,JAVA -XML Programming ,Design Patterns etc i.e the entire J2EE Platform to be successful in getting a proper job in Java .Instead of waiting for jobs or blaming others try to enhance your Java skills .Those who have completed SCJP should try to become Sun Certified Enterprise Java Architect .Try seriously preparing for the Sun Certified Enterprise Java Architect Exam and try to clear it within the next 6 months .You would not only have the acquired skills in the J2EE Platform but would have also made yourself more marketable .This is the only solution for aspiring Java Professionals .Without Knowledge of implementing J2EE Technology do not expect any job offers and the best way to prove your skills in J2EE Technology is to become a Sun Certified Enterprise Java Architect .
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Question for Raghav Mathur
What kick do you get by posting all your posts in bold or large font sizes? Is it a demonstration of your html skills ? Please stop creating these eyesores to the ranch.
Constructive Critisicm
Thank You !
 
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Hi all,
One way of enhancing your Java skills is to go ahead with the Sun Three Level Certification Track as Krishna has suggested.The other Certification Track which I consider equally respectable is the "Vendor" Jcert 3 Level Track.For more information on this Certification Track, please refer to Jcert Initiative
I had evaluated both the tracks and have finally come to a conclusion that from the market point of view, Jcert Track is better.
Reasons are :

  1. By following the Jcert track, you would have mastered/learnt a decent product for Java Development.For example, if you take the IBM track, you would have had passed a Certification test on Visual Age for Java or Websphere Application Server.These products are what the production shops use and are well respected in the industry.
  2. You have a seperate test on OOAD with UML (Level 2 - Vendor independent test - Test 486), which is infact covered in greater detail than the Sun Architect test.The UML skilled professionals would mean a lot to the industry since it is a common language for all OO development - be it Java, C++ or C#!Also remember, this is the ONLY Certification available on UML.The Test Objectives has been designed by Rational and IBM together.
  3. Level 3 of Jcert allows you to learn essential Java Enterprise Skills.The second test at this level tests on how well you can apply this knowledge to the Vendor specific Application Server.

  4. Even if you complete the Sun Architect Level, you would still need to learn these production tools for effective Java Development.Remember, nobody is going to use notepad for Java development in the future.Now-a-days clients want "faster developement with higher quality", which is not possible without using an IDE.
    I was earlier under the impression that once I acquire Sun Architect Tag, I can pick up any of these Vendor tools in no time.However, the truth is these tools have long learning curves (Donot underestimate an IDE also.I was frustated when I started using Oracle JDeveloper IDE.I had cleared SCJP2 then and have acquired a decent score too!).The problem is you have to learn not only Java but also the vendor-specific Technologies which can take its own sweet time.For instance, Oracle has developed a Java - XML solution called "Business Components for Java (BC4J)", which has so much of promise that it can easily substitute EJB!I can assure you that you will learn EJB faster than BC4J!
    I would suggest you choose the Vendor which is doing well in the market and go ahead with the Jcert Certification.I look at Sun Three track test only as a means to strengthen my Java knowledge.I would certainly go for it, once I have a secure assignment with me; then it will help. However to market myself, I would prefer to get Certified in BEA Weblogic Application Server or IBM WAS or Oracle 9iAS (watch this AS, it is capable of giving IBM and BEA a run for their money!) to increase my chances of acquiring a job.BTW, unofficially there are only 150 Jcert professionals world-wide.This includes Certifications from all the vendors.As far as Oracle Certified Java Developer is concerned the unofficial figure is not more than 20!! That should give you an idea of the pains (long term gains ) involved in it.
    I have completed the Oracle Jcert Track a couple of days back, and am recieving interview calls from the US.I am planning to shift to the IBM Jcert Track now.
    Hope this helps,
    Sandeep
    Sun Certified Programmer for Java 2 Platform Scored 93%
    Oracle Certified Solution Developer - JDeveloper
    -- Oracle JDeveloper Rel. 3.0 - Develop Database Applications with Java Scored 56 out of 59
    -- Object-Oriented Analysis and Design with UML Scored 73%
    Oracle Certified Enterprise Developer - Oracle Internet Platform
    -- Enterprise Connectivity with J2EE Scored 72%
    -- Enterprise Development on the Oracle Internet Platform Scored 44 out of 56
    [This message has been edited by Desai Sandeep (edited June 22, 2001).]
 
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" i wish you could appreciate my java skills as well".............. m a k



[This message has been edited by raghav mathur (edited July 03, 2001).]
 
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I had the SCJP and six months experience when I had to start looking for another job. It was tough but I convinced an employer that I know as much as anyone with 2 years experience. They gave me a test and I passed it so I'm now working in a position that was open for a person with 2 years experience. The SCJP gave me the edge in that I knew a little about a broad area of the Java language.
I've had a lot to learn but I really don't think I was hugely handicapped by the lack of experience. I worked with people before that had 2 years experience (and more) and I firmly believe it needs to be 2 years of GOOD experience. Many of these people had been rewriting the same piece of code for years and knew very little.
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