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Is certification still in demand???????

 
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Dear Friends,
I am one of those confused guys who do not know what to do? I am PGDCA (Post Graduate Diploma in Computer Application) and doing my MCA (Master of Computer Application) from IGNOU (Indira Gandhi National Open University, INDIA) and love JAVA. I bought the voucher for SCJP-2 examination in the month of March 2001 and I am planning to appear for exam in first week of August.
What makes me worried is about future in JAVA. One of my friend last month did SCJP-2 with 86% and he still is jobless. This makes me think what to do? Should I not give exam and sell the voucher (this will save 7000 Rupees) and do C# (that what my friend is doing).
Please help me���
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hi anit,
I doubt if scjp / scjd were ever valuable in "India". It works
in the US not here. Yeah take it with a pinch of salt..this is my observation in bangalore.
The benefit you get out of certification is confidence which is so important.
I personally don't see any point in learning C# ( + .NET is still in beta2!) for sake of getting a job because the web market as such is down. Both the languages w'd shine in the web domain so Please realize that
"THERE IS NOTHIGN WRONG WITH JAVA". The web market is down and as a result Java is no longer a hot skill. Once the web business looks up so will Java. Anyway it will take you max a week to learn C# if u know Java. Opting for C# instead of Java is not a solution here.
Learning one OO language s'd do. Then it's all about syntax here and there if it's a new OO language.
What is important is to learn OO concepts , usage of the rich set of libraries that come with Java / .NET which make them so valuable.
MS will get their share but i think java is pretty steady now ( 6 years!).
karthik.

Originally posted by Anit Bhatnagar:
Dear Friends,
I am one of those confused guys who do not know what to do? I am PGDCA (Post Graduate Diploma in Computer Application) and doing my MCA (Master of Computer Application) from IGNOU (Indira Gandhi National Open University, INDIA) and love JAVA. I bought the voucher for SCJP-2 examination in the month of March 2001 and I am planning to appear for exam in first week of August.
What makes me worried is about future in JAVA. One of my friend last month did SCJP-2 with 86% and he still is jobless. This makes me think what to do? Should I not give exam and sell the voucher (this will save 7000 Rupees) and do C# (that what my friend is doing).
Please help me���
Regards,


 
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not in INDIA ATLEAST.I AM TELLING WITH MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.ABOUT C# IF U KNOW JAVA IT WON'T TAKE LONG OT LEARN THIS STUFF.
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Hi,
Thank you for those replies.
But as I would have done the Certification by next month then in your opinion what should I do?
Do I just sit there?
please Advise.
Anit
 
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Hi,
Thank you for those replies.
But as I would have done the Certification by next month then in your opinion what should I do?
Do I just sit there?
please Advise.
Anit
 
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Hi Karthik,
Though an SCJP is not much sought after I guess an SCJD is still looked out for .The only thing is not many of us go for that certification.
Marilyn
 
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All:
I can tell you that here in USA - the SCJP has been a requirement of continued employement with both my current (Hewlett-Packard) and my previous (AMS - Qwest Communications) employer.
In fact, Hewlett-Packard gave me 2 weeks off (paid) as well as sent me to a 2 day class (which I am taking right this minute) to prepare for the SCJP2. They expect all their Java trainers to be SCJA and JCertify - Level 3 certified within 12 - 18 months after employment. And, they pay for time off and the associated training.
Just my two cents.
John Coxey
(jpcoxey@aol.com)

[This message has been edited by John Coxey (edited July 11, 2001).]
 
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I used to work at HP Labs and never heard of any such thing.
 
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Frankly, I never thought much of certifcation. I felt this way 18 months ago and still feel the same way. (I know many disagree with me.)
I suppose if you have both the time and the money (although it sounds like the latter may be an issue), well, I guess you might as well, because the cost is minimal.
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Jim:
I am with HP/Bluestone in Philadelphia, PA. This is my 4th week with the company.
HP has started this new training initiative for Java/J2EE/XML and the Bluestone product suite. All of the trainers must be JCertify-Level3 and SCJA within next 18 months.
My job (I am still in the training phase) is to travel all over USA/World and teach the Java/XML/EJB portions of the curriculum. The goal being to later transition over to some of the HP/Bluestone product suite.
Yeah, they are really adamant about all of this certification training. If nothing else, it's a great resume' builder. But, the folks here are decent and I still get to live in Denver, CO.
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BTW/ To all the folks who criticized me about fly-fishin too much - I am hitting up the Sacramento River in Californing in two weeks. Supposed to be one of the USA's premier rainbow trout fisheries.
John Coxey
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I can see where John might need the certifications as a trainer. It would provide some level of comfort to the participants in his classes to know he has proven some level of adeptness.
Dan
 
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John:
This is a little off topic, but don't overlook the Trinity River for quality rainbow and in particular steelhead fishing. Every year Steelhead in the 10-20 lb class are caught by fly fishermen. It's the best river in California to fish for Steelhead from the shore, unlike the Sac -- much of which requires a boat to get to the most productive sections.
The Trinity is also uncrowded, much of it flowing through a beautiful canyon. It's west of Redding in the Trinity Alps, if you are interested ...
Griffith
 
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Griffith:
Thanks for the info.
I only have 1 day to fish out in that area - so I can't be too choosy. I managed to get HP to let me stay out an extra day and fly back to Denver on a Sunday. Just hope they don't have me flying back to Taiwan or Australia - would hate to fly 14 hours and then have to teach the next morning.
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As for the certifications - I think that HP (as well as some of the IT shops) use it as a marketing tool. It also ensures a minimum standard of knowledge about the subject.
What I am surprised about - is that Sun does not have specific certifications for just EJB and another one for just JSP/Servlets. I would propose having to do both a project as well as a subject test that includes both technical matter questions as well as project design questions related to your projcet.
Just some thoughts - any opinions?
John Coxey
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