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Donot give up, H1 guys

 
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Hi, guys,
I have been working in Java field for three years in US. It has been a long way for me to get to current position. I have seen a lot of humilating about H1s in this forum. I felt that I have to say something to your guys. in my current team, 5 deveopers, 4 of us are h1 holders. donot try to yelled at me, we did hire many citizen guys, but none of them are as good as h1s, or even close. they come and go, and only h1 holders left to be in our core team. I have to see that I have seen a lot of dedication, hard-working spirit in H1 holders. and we have been relied more and more on them. I would say that as a country, if we judge prople only based on their last name, first name, how much future we can see?
I still believe that wherever we come from, whatever race we are, we are in the same world to compete. those who try to eliminate H1s are cowards, because they are so afraid of competion with H1s. well, guys, never give up, in this world, dream will never ever die.
cheer up H1!
 
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Simple question:
Given your current ability,if you were a citizen of the U.S. would you make more money then you are currently paid? In other words could you get a higher paying job if you were a U.S. Citizen?
 
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That's a good point, that we should compete in a free world. However, can an American get a job in India while studying and pay however much they pay for college there (do they pay at all there? I know many countries where the best colleges are free) and then come back to the US to earn the big bucks? Or can I go and work and live in any country of my choice, let's say, if I'm looking for a cheaper cost of living?
In other words, there is no such thing as a global labor trade. So that's probably not a very reason for an American to embrace the H1 program, although there are others. Also, obviously, there is a difference between elimination and reduction. I think at the moment there should at least be a reduction on the program. Otherwise, are the countries where H1 visas originate from going to take us, the left-over not-as-good-as-h1 American guys and girls, and give us jobs or at least let us live there so we don't have to stay in the US, unemployed, and paying a huge cost of living??
Competition and improvement is good, and so is social wellfare. You cannot have one to the detriment of the other, even though looking through a narrow window it might seem the fair and logical thing to do.
Also, it's not fair to have low-skill jobs moved out of the country and have high-skill labor move in, while the native labor population is stuck here with high cost of living and education and no where to go.
Another point: if farmers in a developing country are not very advanced, they should be given support, finance and training to progress and be able to compete in their markets, not be forced out of their lands and be replaced by farmers from developed countries, say, from the US.
So a balance is what we should strive for. There is a lot of benefit to the US population by having foreign workers living and working here and creating this immense cultural exchange. This is a benefit that we can afford to pursue while there is a need to bring foreigners to work in specific sector. Right now there isn't that need in IT.
 
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I am not anti-H1 but I do contest the statement about the H1s ability being superior. Take a look at the original Weblogic team. You could say they were pretty successful whether or not you like the product. There was a very healthy representation of U.S. citizens there ...
 
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Very well said, Carlisia. I know a lot of people who have spent thousands of dollars on education and certifications and are very technical people and are out of work. They have house payments, school loans, car payments, etc. and no jobs, however, the US is still importing labor to fill this so-called shortage and the weird thing about it is there's no end in sight. I for one am very annoyed by what has happened to software development in the US and I think in the years to come the sofware industry in the US will end up like manufacturing where most If not all of the jobs will be outsourced oversees. I'm seriously considering a new line of work because I'm tired of the struggle. Maybe I should call the bank and all of my creditors and say "you know I can't pay you this month because my job has been given away".
 
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I know a lot of people who have spent thousands of dollars on education ...
Indian developers haven't spent thousands on education ... but they are doing NOT BAD. - it is the time to continue your Ph.D in India ;-)
we did hire many citizen guys, but none of them are as good as h1s, or even closeOK, let's add the "bitter true" - get a "black horse" and you'll get a superprofit, that's the motto of most of the US companies(recruters). Is there any argument???
 
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