Originally posted by rick collette:
In this city with about 1 millions people, I have not seen any real java job within two months, other than two "impossible" jobs demanding 5 year
Java and 8 year IT experience. When I tried to contact them for one position, they told me they had got more than 300 applicants, so I quit. I am wondering where I can find a Java job in US, or I just should quit what I love and do something else?
Rob
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Why is 5 years Java and 8 years IT impossible? I know people who qualify.
Quitting for such a position won't help you get it.
As for giving up on Java/IT--that's hard to say. I think the lower 20% of "programmers" should do just that. The market was overinflated.
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Originally posted by Shura Balaganov:
Again, what is your advice for people right out of college? Quit? It's about time you admit that job market is not going anywhere (and most of readers on this forum might as well grab a Sneakers ;) ).
Trying to keep you on your toes ;) :p
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Information Week magazine:
Times have changed. According to a new study by Information Week magazine, information technology managers across the country will see an 8 percent decline in total compensation this year. The average IT worker's salary will fall 11 percent. Information Week stated that managers who were given a median bonus of $17,000 last year will receive $6,000 this year, while for regular IT workers bonuses will fall from $11,000 to $2,000. "No one is hiring technology people at the ludicrous salaries they were a year ago. Those days are long gone." The fallout: The only people hurt more than IT workers themselves are the people whose job it was to find jobs for the IT workers. IT Recruiters are not posting to the job boards.
Recruiter insights:
MSI, a 33-year-old staffing agency in Atlanta. The company used to receive 150 e-mails a day from people looking for jobs. It now receives a storage-capacity-reaching 400 e-mails a day from people looking for jobs. "We are seeing a ton of people who used to be project managers who are now willing to take less pay and do work they are extremely overqualified for," "People are saying, `I'll do anything you need me to do just to find work.'
BIG 6 Search International a firm specializing in BIG 5/Top Tier placements. The company is currently receiving 800 e-mails a day with the fallout coming from all the global firms.
Fewer listings on the job board for IT professionals, dropped from a one-time high of 60,000 to the current 8,000 listings on one of the services. The market has started to turn around a little bit, but nothing that would foreshadow a return to the glory days. "I think both sides learned a valuable lesson here," "Corporations learned that IT people don't have to be overpaid, and IT professionals learned they might have to scrap the jeans and T-shirts for a pair of khakis and something with a collar."
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Originally posted by John Fontana:
Mark, it is well known that you see this job market as some sort of Darwinistic cleansing. The fact is, if only the cream of the crop can get into the field, than the market obviously stinks.
Originally posted by John Fontana:
When was the last time anybody ever saw a job ad that said "will train right candidate"?
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
I have never, ever, said "cream of the crop" and I challenege you to show me a posting where I did say that. I think the only specifics I've given as to where the cuttoff is the bottom 10-20%. Considering how many people with little or no skills jumped into the market in the last few years, losing the bottom 10-20% doesn't seem overly harsh or serious to me. It means 80% of the people should still be abel to get jobs. I've always said competant people with 2-3 years experience should be be able to get jobs.
--Mark
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Originally posted by John Fontana:
I construed "cream of the crop" as your perspective on available jobs not because you described it as such, but because that is what you are, and as that it may be difficult for you to see from others' perspective.
Originally posted by John Fontana:
My view is also affected by being in New York, where we continue to feel the post - 9-11 damage.
Originally posted by John Fontana:
So, Mark, if you needed a programmer, would you hire me?
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Originally posted by ersin eser:
Probably I am in that bottom %10 percent but I just don't give a damn, that's Darwin's problem. I love what I do and that's the attitude that I bring to the interview.
John Coxey
Evansville, Indiana, USA
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Originally posted by Jason Menard:
I see no reason to rely on recruiters. Nor do I see any reason to rely on job ads. Have any of you guys been doing any cold calling? Have any of you been extensively networking? What about looking for related jobs such as help desk in order to get your foot in the door?
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