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Its probably not escaped general notice the Sun's Java forum is going through a bit of a sticky patch at the moment. A combination of persistent trolls, highly dodgy administration and poor technology have lead to a decline in the quality of the forum. I wonder if it will have an effect on Javaranch?

On the one hand it already has in that several people have migrated here from there. Currently its a positive thing as its mainly the more experienced users who have made it here, but if the Sun Java forum continues to decline then we could end up with the more of the idiotic contingent stumbling across the ranch.

On the other hand, the dip in experience in the Sun Java forum will probably only be temporary. Even if the more experienced posters leave, the site is famous enough that a new set of experienced posters will come along to replace them. I guess this depends on the forum can get over its current problems to do with administration and technology though.

What's interesting about the decline of the Sun Java forum is that it highlights the difference between that site and this. There seems to be a core of liberal minded posters on the Sun Java forum who consider that Javaranch is poor because of its heavy handed moderation. Given the way in which the Sun forum is going down the pan and Javaranch is going from strength to strength, I'm quite happy with the moderation. Long live the Moose!
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We probably do have the same people as the "idiots" on java.sun.com - it is the strength of the moderation, the naming policy and the fact that most users here don't retaliate to flames that stops the behaviour dead.

Trolls are only effective if people respond at their level. If people take the high ground, or ignore them altogether - they fail.
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Thanks, guys. We do what we can. And kudos to Paul.
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