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The problem is that people who loose jobs here are not going to be able to spend money to buy products the way they did. Thus, no matter what is the salary saving, if the companies are not going to sell their products, they are going to loose money.
People in IT industry are paid relatively better compare to other industries. Thus, if they have to exit this field, they will not be able to reproduce their salaries therefore spend as much as they did.
People who will keep their jobs will realize that it is time to save money, because future is very uncertain and should they loose their jobs, they may have to exit this field as well, what will also decrease their spending.
Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:
Wasn't the U.S. pushing for a global market and open border policies? Now lets accept the consequences without whining like old women.
Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:
Realx, take a deep breath and swallow... Sometimes we must accept reality for what it is.
Vitor, I'm not sure what culture you came from, Freanch I'd guess, but here in New York we don't like than some stranger gives unwelcome advices about swallowing. Keep it for yourself.
Well, losing my second job in as many years last Friday kind of makes you skip all that political-bull$it - personally, I couldn't care less about Global Economy initiative. Will it bring food to my famili's table? No. Does it affect me now? Yes. Our governmnet lost touch withreality, it does what it please without regards to its own taxpayers. But that's beside's the point.
Well, losing my second job in as many years last Friday kind of makes you skip all that political-bull$it - personally, I couldn't care less about Global Economy initiative. Will it bring food to my famili's table? No. Does it affect me now? Yes. Our governmnet lost touch withreality, it does what it please without regards to its own taxpayers. But that's beside's the point.
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Originally posted by Sam Kebab:
So who wants a strong dollar? Perhaps if you don't have debt, have a huge portfolio in US$, you like the beach in Asia, play golf in Asia, gamble in Asia, or are outsourcing business to Asia.
Originally posted by Alex Ayzin:
Read it: "The New HP Way: World's Cheapest Consultants" http://www.forbes.com/2002/12/05/cz_qh_1205hp.html
If you're concerned, read and fill out one of these: http://www.unionvoice.org/campaign/offshoring
--Alex
P.S: Note to Mark: Please, spare me your contr-arguments that this is a good thing, about survival of the strongest and the fittest and that consumers are only gonna gain from it. I don't care about it. Thank you.
--Alex
[ March 03, 2003: Message edited by: Alex Ayzin ]
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Speak for yourself. I have never bought a pair of Nikes. The only sneakers I own are Converse because they are made in the US. I do my best to avoid supporting companies that export jobs and hurt Americans.Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:
Can I blame the corporation for offering him employment? Well the Nike sweatshops and all the other things don't bother us... It'd be kind of hypocritical to turn around now and say that outsourcing is evil.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Speak for yourself. I have never bought a pair of Nikes. The only sneakers I own are Converse because they are made in the US. I do my best to avoid supporting companies that export jobs and hurt Americans.
Speak for yourself. I have never bought a pair of Nikes. The only sneakers I own are Converse because they are made in the US. I do my best to avoid supporting companies that export jobs and hurt Americans.
Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:
Enrollment in CS programs at my college dropped dramatically which I think is cool...
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"If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
This is where I think it will come back...Though hard for most of us in this forum to relate to, most people really don't love to be in front of a computer, let alone sit down at one and write software in a cubicle. If the salaries and demand aren't there, newcomers (and some old-timers as well) will likely look to other fields.
This is where I think it will come back...Though hard for most of us in this forum to relate to, most people really don't love to be in front of a computer, let alone sit down at one and write software in a cubicle. If the salaries and demand aren't there, newcomers (and some old-timers as well) will likely look to other fields.
Mix that with any kind of substantial improvement in the economy, we should eventually see demand swing back in favor of U.S. programmers...
Originally posted by John Fontana:
This is where I think it will come back...Though hard for most of us in this forum to relate to, most people really don't love to be in front of a computer, let alone sit down at one and write software in a cubicle. If the salaries and demand aren't there, newcomers (and some old-timers as well) will likely look to other fields.
Mix that with any kind of substantial improvement in the economy, we should eventually see demand swing back in favor of U.S. programmers...
Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:
I don't mean to be harsh but I guess you're underestimating the number of geeks and nerds that this new computer age produced.
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Um, why? Yes, we are an unusual breed in that we enjoy sitting in front of a computer. But that's not an American phenomenon. I'm sure there are plenty of geeks in other nations with cheaper-then-US payrates.
--Mark
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
So what kind of car do you drive? I'd be very surprised if your car didn't have parts made in foreign countries.
--Mark
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But isn't what puts us above the animals that we overcome our nature?Originally posted by Vitor Belfort:
It is human nature to be selfish and only worry about one's slef...
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Originally posted by Sriraj Rajaram:
... But they simply dont know how to approach Americans. I wont speak for other Indians but as far as I am concerned I really didnt know how to approach an American and offer help.
I always thought that he or she wouldnt be interested in any offer I had. So if you know an Indian like me, do ask for help if you need it. Lets be intelligent and put aside our egos temporarily.
MH
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