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Pay rate for SCJP 1.4?

 
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What is the going pay rate for a person with SCJP 1.4?
How about yearly? Different web sites give different numbers, so I would like to know what the ball park figure is...
Thanks!
 
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Zero Dollars.
IMHO, I think SCJP1.4 will help get you a job. It won't get you more money. It might get you moment of glory on your interview, but you'd better be able to back it up. It will force you to learn and the knowledge will be beneficial. The KNOWLEDGE you gain can be parlayed into money by getting better interviews and therefore the potential for better jobs and with it, better opportunities.
 
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Really?
I heard that people with computer science degrees who programmed professionally in Java, for two years, and passed the certification received a 20% increase in their salaries... This was before the dot com bust, however.
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I've heard people make these claims, but I've yet to see an unbiased study which causally proves the financial benefit of SCJP (heck, I haven't even seen correlation demostrated).
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Hi,
I have not seen any improvement whatsoever after my Java Certification.
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I have SCJP, SCJD, SCJWCD, SCEA-Part1 from Java and XML. I will stick to my original statement above. You can easily end up in a company where some folks just don't give a toss about certifications. So, it can get you in the door, maybe a two or three second "who-ah" on your interview and that might be it. If you get more, its a cherry on top.
Again, I find the most important thing for me is the KNOWLEDGE. You will be able to hold your own more in debates. You will notice who is a real hard-core bull****er and you may notice that folks don't challenge your technical answers as much. It is also helpful to become good at learning new things, which happens to be a real asset in today's techie world.
Working hard, doing good work, doing useful work for a manager and/or a company is the best way to get more money. A certification will help you in this endeavor. If you are good, and the current place won't pay up, then move on. IMHO, one piece of certification paper should not be your strategy.
 
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I don't think an SCJP will do much more than get you an interview, and it might not even do that. I know the SCJP doesn't have a good reputation at the companies I have worked for.
The reason is that there are too many people who study for it, pass it, but don't know the first thing about actual software development. I have been involved in many technical interviews with candidates who were SCJP certified. I was pretty disappointed with their lack of knowledge. Some couldn't even answer basic questions that I know were part of the exam objectives.
It seems that there are a lot of people who memorize what is needed to pass the exam, but never really grasp the concepts.
I think that after companies see evidence of this, the SCJP loses credibility.
 
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Certifications are like sprinkles on a cake. It helps you to get noticed but doesn't really change how much someone is willing to pay for you.
 
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All:
- Well I think we all agree that a Certification by itself won't get you the job. However, I would like to add the following observations and opinions:
- Certifications are something that managment can use to assign a quantitative number to. Meaning it's a tool that a manager (non-technical) can use to validate their hire/no-hire decision?
- I'd say I only get a technical interview with 10% of the companies I talk with. Meaning, that the go/no-go decision is based solely on "gut feeling" and some quantitative (assign points to degrees/certs/skills listed) measure.
- Speaking of that. I just scored another gig this week. Will be teaching two nights a week at local tech school here. Did I have a technical interview ... nope!!! All I did was sent them a resume'. Had lunch w/ boss. He made offer during lunch, and I am filling out paperwork as I write this. I start teaching next Thur/Fri.
- So in that respect, certs do add "icing" to the cake. So to speak.
- I also agree with the above posters who said that certifications get you noticed. And that's the trick guys and gals. To separate yourself (your resume') from the others. To get that ever elusive interview.
- The way I see it. Certifications get you the interview. The interview gets you the job.
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- Now. The real benefit of certifications - is that it helps you (in my opinion) to learn and focus on a topic. I really think the SJCP and the SCWCD preparation work have helped me learn the fundamentals of Java/Servlets/JSP.
John Coxey
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