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Sorry about the naming policy..
John:
Thank you very much for the details on what to do. I will approach my boss again. He thinks I am very stupid. He comes over to the other girl's desk and speaks in a low tone about upcoming Java projects she can work on. I truly feel like I wasted my $ and time getting my BS in computer science. I am skilled but fools get projects because they are favorites..well it's not a new thing. I am furious. However, I will control my temper.
I will give an update. Are you sure I can get away with mentioning "favoritism"? I'm really scared about this.
 
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Cheryl:
- First, I would ask for Java work. Then if promised, ask for a deadline for java work to be assigned to you. Do not take a general answer - you need a concrete date.
- Now is the time you should set up a follow-up meeting. You want firm dates. Because, if manager does not commit to dates, then you need to escalate the problem with the manager and possible up the chain of command.
- Now, you may be told you have to work as a sub-ordinate to one of the "favorites". In that case, you may have to "bite the bullet" and take the work. But make it clear, that you want more responsibility in the Java arena.
- The conversation probably won't reach this point - but if it does, then you should briefly mention the "favoratism" issue . You should state that you feel threatened by this favoratism. Ask if manager feels if this is the case.
- Again, it's tough not to let the meeting deteriorate on your part. So keep your cool. If manager blows up on you - take your complaint to HR as "sexual harrassment" and get a lawyer. This is why I say that manager will not freak out on you - it's too dangerous for them to do so (and corporation teaches their management staff about this).
- Bottom Line: You should definitely ask why you are not getting any additional Java work. You should get Java work or committment to do Java work at a specified date.
- Just my opinions.
John Coxey
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Cheryl,
It's ridiculous that project assignments are becoming whispering issues...shows the capability of TODAY's MANAGER....maybe we'd have to think of replacing the word "Manager" with something more appropriate for that kind of enunch's.
If the company is fooling around with you and ignoring your abilities then you most probably should start being a little bit more aggressive. Since you have the skills and the confidence you can beat the GOOD-FOR-NOTHING favorites in the game of "success within deadlines", as suggested by John.
If nothing else works, start complaning and create hell out there. Atleast you would be content that you gave a damn good scare to that SICKO MANAGER of yours.
But always remember, it's not sufficient if you are right/correct. What's more important is if you can prove it.
 
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San Tiruvan:
Hold up a second!!!
We don't why Cheryl has not been given more Java responsibility. Right now, we are jumping to conclusions. This is why she needs to have a "discovery" meeting with the manager.
Cheryl needs to "discover" why she has not been assigned any Java work. Then she needs to be assertive and follow-up with any proposals that this meeting generates.
I also mention the "temper/attitude" think, as you should not go into this meeting with any pre-drawn conclusions.
Perhaps they are "saving" Cheryl for a 2 or 3 year major project, that is comming down the pike in 3 to 6 months. If so, then Cheryl needs to find the scope of the project and ask for/get training while there is slack time before new project gets started.
And yes, you need to go into meeting hoping for a best case scenario. Who knows, you may get surprised.
John Coxey
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P.S. If they are truly are playing favorites, then you need to escalate the situation to higher ups in the company. Last thing they want is a "harrassment" lawsuit because they created a "hostile" work environment.
 
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Once you have the job, appearance and personality, let's call them soft skills, are more important than work ethic or technical accumen. Is there any chance you are a hard working go-getter with perfectionist tendencies and your boss is a smoooz artist?
The nail that stands up often gets hammered down.
 
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Oh believe me, I do smooze. Others get what they want, but I don't. I do have the social skills and the skills, but that doesn't do it.
This is the 3rd time I have asked and he simply threw aside my computer based training. One of the guys who is working on the Java project - get this, is a business analyst - who knows NOTHING about programming. The team lead is complaining that she had to hold his hand, but there's nothing she can do. She said that she will speak to my boss - he keeps directing all of the web work to these other useless people. He keeps telling her that he has some batch work for me, but I don't see anything coming my way for weeks now, not that I'm interested in batch.
My boss is also giving another guy a piece of it and is approving his computer training. My boss comes by often to these other people and laughs and jokes with them, but he never stops by over at my desk. The 3rd time I had asked for the project, he became aggravated.
However, the other day I attended one of the meetings and noticed a few areas where we could improve. I mentioned it to him and he said, "Good point, VERY good." but that was it. He also told me that my suggestions on the websites(not Java related) were VERY good. ???
Truly, I am afraid to go and ask him a FOURTH time. I am afraid that he might wait for me at the door and watch me like a hawk, then make my life miserable. I've started to send out my resume elsewhere but I'm truly humiliated by what's going on. I'm going to buy some bond paper this weekend......
 
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Originally posted by Cheryl Gray:
Truly, I am afraid to go and ask him a FOURTH time. I am afraid that he might wait for me at the door and watch me like a hawk, then make my life miserable. I've started to send out my resume elsewhere but I'm truly humiliated by what's going on. I'm going to buy some bond paper this weekend......


I think I can understand, no need to aggravate him further. I have experienced something similar. If he's not open to fair discussion and resolving matter across the table (you're in the best position to judge if it is the fact!), and instead gets annoyed and makes your life miserable; it would be better to switch the job.
Meanwhile, pretend as if nothing has happened, you have no problems doing the web related work and continue your job hunting ACTIVELY, the moment you get a decent offer, quit! Don't bother giving real reasons to anyone, just say you enjoyed your stay therre, but you need to move on for "better prospectus", goodbye!
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Hi Cheryl,
It could be your boss is a sour apple. Try to figure out if the management and executive are behave the same way like your boss or not. If the majority behave like your boss, then you have a working culture clash.
The puzzle pieces:
What's about the other department? Did workers and management get along well? Did any body give you sincere performance review previously? Did anyone care to tell you about your coding logic? How long have you been with the current company? Do you know the organization business flown granted your technical expertise may be ahead of others? Do you have allies in vary positions in the company? What kind of work ethic and principle do you possess?
We can see your point of view, but the overall picture is something that only you can draw. You need to piece the puzzle together before you can follow others suggestion and take action. Remember a whistle blower do get retarliation not necessary from the current company.
Regards,
MCao
 
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Thank you very much for all of the views. At least I'm not alone.
I've posted my resume in other depts. but with no luck as yet. They claimed that they don't want "newbies", but they did accept the BA with no programming experience whatsoever.
My last manager was very racist and trashed the entire group. Every night I used to work until 10:30pm to get things done, was given no training, but was able to accomplish a lot of things. I ended up with no raise and a very bad review. Over in this dept. now I did exceptionally well compared to the guy who was working on the proj. for 2 yrs. and a woman who has absolutely no social skills.
I am looking out there, it's the only way to get what I want. I've been here for about 6 yrs. now and I have a B.S. in CS and quite a few honors. They are going to wish if I had stayed!! They are losing out.
Thank you once again everyone.
 
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