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Where are all the Java Jobs going ?????????????????

 
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Go to www.monster.com
and set your search location to India
and the keyword as java..
There are more java jobs in india than in america....
You can earn fairly good salary in india. As the expenses are less in india.. Companies have beeen outsoucing all the projects to india..

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Can you get a decent pint in India?
Dunno about cost of living, the rice is cheaper in Asda.
 
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we all know the jobs on monster.com are not all that real, so this comparison is not very convincing.
 
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Hi Don,
How do you know the posts are not real? I am very curious.
Thanks,
MCao
 
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Hi Don,
How do you know the posts are not real? I am very curious.
Thanks,
MCao



hi:
i can verify it is real, if i am hired for it. but even one was hired for one position on monster.com, it still does not mean all jobs on monster.com are real.
i follow the posts in this forum quite close, there is much more negative toward web job posting than positive. i have my own experience with job fair posting. so i won't be surprised if they are not real.
regards,
 
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Hi Don,
How do you know the posts are not real? I am very curious.
Thanks,
MCao


You can tell when companies like KForce and Robert Half post the same exact job everyday in several major cities...they just rotate which cities the job is supposedly from.
If you filter out staffing firms in your search, that is probbaly closer to the real number of jobs (the genuinely dishonest staffing companies still show in these searches, no doubt due to their snaky tactics).
I have seen ads which directly corresponded to my experience in the city where I live, which I responded to within hours of its posting, and never received a call from one of those companies. This is over the course of two years of aggressive job searching.
There is also a bogus company that advertises on Monster all the time for web developers, but it's not a job, it's a school for training developers.
HotJobs is the worst, Monster second worst.
 
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Lets me clarify a little bit about the dummy ads from Consulting Companies..
Currently I am in a Job Search so
I know clearly of whats happening..
If there is 1 position around 5 to 10 consulting firms try to find candidates for the same position. So in actuality all the job ads in dice.com and monster.com are five to 10 times more than the actual jobs as all these consulting firms put there ads with a different verbage to get the candidates so that htey can submit the resume.
These ads have a start and end dates ...and the ad becomes inactive past the end date. Some consulting firms forget to specify the end date on the ad and the ad keeps on displaying on the site..
But believe me there are jobs in india more htan there are in america...
[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Ted Gaffner ]
[ May 19, 2003: Message edited by: Ted Gaffner ]
 
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But believe me there are jobs in india more htan there are in america...
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But the population is thrice than that of America!Also the jobs which are outsourced are quite elementary in nature which can be done by any descent CS/engg graduate.Design and analysis or product making jobs are still highest in USA than any other country.
 
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If you think like a project manager for a moment.. You will get the idea.
For a particular project the hiring manager will try to get the best resources for the cheapest rates so that he can get the maximum work done for the cheapest rates possible so that he can get his promotion. Candidates from india are like modern slaves in this digital age. Since they are easy for the manager to control than an normal american. Besides the indian guy will put atleast 3 to 4 extra hours of quality work than a normal american does. Working in consulting for last 5 years I know this. Thats why managers preferred H-1 B guys all these years over americans.
Now since the H-1 B visas are reduced and hard to get these days due to lot of americans not having Jobs US Consulates are denying the visas..
In order for to still break even with effective cost cutting measures Managers these days are prefering Offshore development for their projects.
The way offshore development works is .. If you are the project manager here in america.. you will have a offshore coordinator here in america for your project. The team will be in india. Technologically the teams in india are advanced as the teams in america. The team lead from india comes to the US gets the project requirements and goes back to india. Now from this point on the team will communicate through emails. any updates on requirements are taken care by the offshore coodinator to propagate requirement updates to team in india..

I know until now US was the no: 1 country for production.
Its no longer no: 1 .. For instance take china .. China is the No:1 manufacturing countries in the world.
So slowly all software development will be taken care by india. and India will be the No:1 Software development country in the world.
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Originally posted by Ted Gaffner:

Its no longer no: 1 .. For instance take china .. China is the No:1 manufacturing countries in the world.
So slowly all software development will be taken care by india. and India will be the No:1 Software development country in the world.


china is no. 1 in some product, but i think there is not a lot competition between china and usa. usa is still dominant in many fields: defense industry, aircraft,...
as far as software industry, i think it is not independent. it depends a lot on other industry. india's demestic market is too small. there will be even more competition.
 
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India is not making money from the domestic market.. Its making maoney out of the contracts from US, Germany, Australia and other countries .... India has lots of clients in Europe,US and Asia ..
 
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:

How do you know the posts are not real? I am very curious.


CNN had a news about job postings in monster.com
a few months ago. The recuriters from some
companies were only interested in your SS#, so
be careful.
 
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Here is some proof as to where Jobs are Going ...
Hope this provides some insight to you folks.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0305/19/mlld.00.html
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Hi Ted,
I am in-house consulting for an OEM company, I believe your point of view. What you are describing is what I am dealing with daily.
How many hours a day do have to log in? Just curious. Ignore if you think it is too personal.
Thanks,
MCao
 
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Where the manufacturing jobs are going ???
http://www.americanfreepress.net/02_01_03/Jobs__America_s/jobs__america_s.html
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Matt,
Even though I work 10 to 12hours a day.. I have to only log in 8 hours.. that was at my previous
job.. Now I dont have a job ..
Hope the blood shed stops..
 
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America is capitalist economy. Capitalists try to maximize their profits by using cheap labour and expanding markets.
America can not expect the world to be just a big marketplace buying Amreican products. Instead it should be more competitive as basics of capitalist economy suggest.
 
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Was there ever a free market economy ?
Remaining static is the greatest danger for an economy. It has repurcussions on governments and society.
Have a trail through history .
As long as the exchange of services is kept fair and the services are valued , this could be the beginning of a great era.
Attitudes need to change by education and retraining at the cost of the government/employer , as they are the ones who should be looking out for the nations/individuals/companies interest.
IT bodies should lobby governments ,who in turn lobby higher goverments and universities and training centres needed to provide the necessary skills.
But only you, as an individual, can make it work for you otherwise you are forced to be just a number making up a statistic. I am afraid we are in an era of retraining and there are equal opportunities for all. You could be surprised how much of personal skills still count.
You need to start competing with your self and be a go-getter first. ( I speak from experience and I find I have to do it all over again).
There isn't a quick fix.
regards

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