Originally posted by Frank Silbermann:
But in many other ways the business environment has deteriorated. We've lost authority and discipline in schools, resulting in lazy students, wasted time and degree inflation.
We see increased free-lance crime due to a growing misplaced tolerance of bad behavior both by children and by parents (e.g. out-of-wedlock childbearing, and divorce even for self-indulgent reasons), and the general loss of religion-based moral inhibitions.
Increased tolerance of political radicalism has added to the insecurity of property and investment.
Because the business environments in most of our serious competitors (western Europe and Commonwealth countries) have been deteriorating even faster, we haven't yet felt the full effect of all this.
Thanks, leo
Jobs will move to whatever country provides the best infrastructure and environment for doing business. Countries compete by effectiveness and efficiency of their educational endeavors (not to be confused with educational spending rates), and their success at providing physical security for people and property (which involves protection not just from free-lance criminals, but also protection from politically-based assaults).
Even if you had no competition from outsourcing, you will still need to keep learning. This isn't some boring, paper pushing cubicle job. our industry changes regularly. You need to keep up with it. One of the keys to any business (and you are your own business) are the barriers to entry. Marketing channels are a barrier to entry, really fast servers are not; the latter can be duplicated. intimate knowledge of JSPs isn't a defensible competitive advantage, anyone can do that. Good OOA/OOD skills, ability to work with customers, being able to write up business cases... those are not easily replicatable skills. They also don't go out of style in 18 months due to Business Skills 2.0.
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
Hello,
to change career. HR people understand, on average an adult changes career 3 times, since we live in the internet-age may have to double the career changing time.
Regards,
MCao
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
I disagree, you mention OOA/OOD skills as skills that are not replicable, wake up and smell the coffee, NONE of the skills you have mentioned above is defensible as a competitive advantage. Perhaps you are not aware, but improved communications have made it possible for EVERYTHING short of deployment to be done offshore. I know because i was on such a team.Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Whoa! Lemme get out my soapbox... :-)
Well, I'll just take out my small soap box (and skip the issues raised by Frank).
Not only is a career possible, many of us are doing quite well in IT. Computers are not some fad, they're here to stay (whereas <foobar>.com being worth $100M was a fad). Outsourcing will be limited in scope, because the communication pipe will prove insufficent for many projects.
Even if you had no competition from outsourcing, you will still need to keep learning. This isn't some boring, paper pushing cubicle job. our industry changes regularly. You need to keep up with it. One of the keys to any business (and you are your own business) are the barriers to entry. Marketing channels are a barrier to entry, really fast servers are not; the latter can be duplicated. intimate knowledge of JSPs isn't a defensible competitive advantage, anyone can do that. Good OOA/OOD skills, ability to work with customers, being able to write up business cases... those are not easily replicatable skills. They also don't go out of style in 18 months due to Business Skills 2.0.
If by "career" you mean sit in a cubicle, write code, and have some VC backed firm overpay you, then no, IT careers are dead. If you mean a job in which you apply strong technical knowledge to solve business problems, often involving code generation, then you should do fine.
--Mark
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
Go to nursing school. $65,000 to start and hospitals will pay for relocation. And you aren't likely to be outsourced.
Originally posted by Svetlana Koshkina:
Beginning and intermediate nurse is getting about 30K max(salaryexpert.com or some such).
I worked in a hospital (not as a nurse). Nurses are a little better off than mackdonalds guys.
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Originally posted by greg norman:
Further, more and more nurses are coming to US with H2 visa.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
I'm sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about.
Originally posted by Svetlana Koshkina:
By nurse I meant nurse that gives you pills and takes your vitals when you at hospital. That kind of nurse. Where everybody starts.
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Originally posted by Thomas Paul:
That is not where everyone starts. You are talking about a nurse's aid. A registered nurse with at least a bachelor's degree is making the salary I mentioned.
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
If by "career" you mean sit in a cubicle, write code, and have some VC backed firm overpay you, then no, IT careers are dead. If you mean a job in which you apply strong technical knowledge to solve business problems, often involving code generation, then you should do fine.
--Mark
This reply is heartening Mark as its EXACTLY what I want to do but with limited experience on the development side I don't see how one can feasibly use the communication/business skills in the work force. Though that may be my dejection speaking.
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It's not right. Very very bad.
What we'll do? I am unemployed for about 3 months now. I can find job overnight as research technologist. I'll look for job I really want as long as I can, then, I'll go to work as research technologist for a while. Envy this employer and don't envy me.
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Originally posted by shay Aluko:
I disagree, you mention OOA/OOD skills as skills that are not replicable, wake up and smell the coffee, NONE of the skills you have mentioned above is defensible as a competitive advantage.
Originally posted by shay Aluko:
Perhaps you are not aware, but improved communications have made it possible for EVERYTHING short of deployment to be done offshore. I know because i was on such a team.
Originally posted by Matt Kidd:
This reply is heartening Mark as its EXACTLY what I want to do but with limited experience on the development side I don't see how one can feasibly use the communication/business skills in the work force. Though that may be my dejection speaking.
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
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It is very defensible. Smarter people can do intellectual tasks better then not so smart people. Find the more challenging aspects fo the job, and excel there.
--Mark
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
quote:
I disagree 110%. Most projects fail in the US due to poor communications--people in the same room can't even create a common consensus. While the telephone and internet allow information to be conveyed quickly and cheaply, it often inhibits the selection of which information to send, further hanicapping a project.
--Mark
Originally posted by shay Aluko:
I am not sure you have a valid point there-- are you saying in effect that U.S has an advantage
in terms of smart people?
Originally posted by shay Aluko:
I can't speak to your own experiences but what is happening in in the communications industry now is a glut of broadband capacity...I will concede that such projects do require a greate degree of coordination but I can tell you for a fact that offshoring is going on and it has been sucessful, though with a little bit more coordination.
Originally posted by shay Aluko:
So what other advantage(s) do you have?
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Good looks and a winning personality. :-)
--Mark
Originally posted by Svetlana Koshkina:
I can translate and I know programming, and good looks and winning personallity and a cat named Pushkin. Between me and perspective employers i can see gray wall of HR people, by the time i break the wall i will be old mad cow staying in line for lottery tickets.
I can translate and I know programming, and good looks and winning personallity and a cat named Pushkin. Between me and perspective employers i can see gray wall of HR people, by the time i break the wall i will be old mad cow staying in line for lottery tickets.
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Originally posted by Alfred Neumann:
Svetlana, I suggest that you look for jobs with small employers. The advantage is there is no HR department, nothing between you and the person who can hire you. The pay can be lousy, but after you have some experience you should be able to change that fairly quickly.
Originally posted by Svetlana Koshkina:
Yes, it's what I'm trying to do. I am also scouring universities. Usually university's pay sucks but
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