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A question for our Indian contingent..

 
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This may not be the technically correct forum for this, but is a mindless question(because I said so, and I'm the one who dreamed it up).
How much, in dollars per year, does an average programmer make? Say with
A. 1 year of experience
B. 2
C. 3
D. 4
Also, what's the freelance market like? Any and all insights are appreciated.
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As I have told in one thread ,its very difficult to find specific pattern or trend in terms of salary in private sector in India.My cousin with zero exp works for 400$ per month as network trainee for some american copany where as his old classmate was hired by Microsoft India with 1 year exp eans 1200$ per month.Microsoft India also gave(to all those who were hired at his batch)car to each(REAL,no exggageration).One thing sure I can say is programmer with good experience will never come on roads!!With this said ,from my experience I will say:
1 year: 200$ to 500$
2 year: 300 $ to 600$
5 year: 600 to 1000$
freelance market was never there as local software market is not yet developed to fullest extent and less awareness.Many people still think data entry and programming are the same things.Also working for Indian client might not give you money you deserve.As the movements like FSF becomes more nmature with use of open source like Linux/GNU,freelance will develop.
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Salary here is about 1/5 th of that in US.
 
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Salary here is about 1/5 th of that in US.
What's the cost of living in India, compared to that in US? Also, perhaps another interesting question, -- "How much does an average Indian makes in US as a programmer, compared to his/her American peer?". Maybe that's what Max was asking in his original post.
 
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-- "How much does an average Indian makes in US as a programmer, compared to his/her American peer?".


If that doesn't drive prices up , not sure what else will.

dilbert says it all
pinching from one of Tim Holloways' posts.
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Cost of living in India for Indian products is in-line with salaries. I've seen quotes of $300/month for rental of a 4 bedroom house, $1 for all-you-can-eat lunch.
Where they get clobbered is in foreign imports and items where the price is the same globally, since their absolute incomes are smaller. A $800 Dell computer is still $800 in India, but $800 is about 1% of the income of someone making $60,000 per year and 10% of the income of someone making 3 lakhs per year (slightly more than $6000 US).
Similarly with motor vehicles - though Indians haven't yet bought into the American ideal of at least one vehicle per person.
This doesn't mean everyone's dirt-poor. Popular items selling in Bangalore include $2500 vacuum cleaners and $5000 plasma TVs. However, you're obviously out of the 2-5 lakh income range when you start buying these.
 
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Tim,
You know more about Bangalore than me! I think its time you headed down there and took a look at the place for yourself. With your 15+ years of experience, you will be in the $10000 p.a. bracket and hey! you could settle down there for good.
 
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Hi,
Bangalore has a very cost of living.
The rent here is really up.
Heard that the rent prices have come down in US?
Is it true?
 
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Don't know about rent prices, but I can tell you that I've been living in my building for the past 5 years, and the past year was the first time that I saw a sign for rent, which is still hanging. The location is right in between Harvard and MIT.
 
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I thought India had protectionist rent schemes.
If the tenant stays a while they have certain rights regarding rent raises, or even eviction.
Or is this only in Bombay, sorry Mumbai ? (Until recently I thought Mumbai was another city.)
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Normally in India, no one rents / leases an apartment without a signed agreement on legal paper. In this agreement there are various clauses such as rent increments, lease duration, lease breakage expense etc. Normally landlords place a clause that the rent is subject to review every year and they may increase / decrease as appropriate.
So as far as your question goes Thomas, there is as much protection as the agreement guarantees.
 
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Thanks Sriraj.
I meant that they were protectionist by law. Given the huge numbers of people flooding into the cities , once the rent had been agreed the landlord wouldn't be allowed to increase it for a period of 5 years,10 years. These would be near-feudal centuries-old laws that you'd be messing with.
This may not apply to cities like Bangalore which are more modern.
regards
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
I thought India had protectionist rent schemes.
If the tenant stays a while they have certain rights regarding rent raises, or even eviction.
Or is this only in Bombay, sorry Mumbai ? (Until recently I thought Mumbai was another city.)
regards


State government passed a Rent Control Act in 1972 which used to give sufficient protection to tenants.In fact so much protection that sometimes it used to become very difficult to take any legal action against tenant even if he doesn't pay the rent for months.There are many apartments in very expensive areas in Mumbai where people are paying Rs 600(12$) p/m for 2 BHK whereas in 'not so good areas' people pay Rs 5000 for 1 BHK.Once people move in apartment,generally they are less likely to move for next 2/3 years.
 
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BTW, WTF is BHK?
OK, sorry about that. Real Estate abbreviations aren't my field. I'd go for B=Bedroom and K=Kitchen, but H I'm not going to try. For one thing, we may call it something different around here.
Info on US real estate prices: Office space prices have come down pretty much everywhere. Housing 's down in Silicon Valley, I believe, but not around here. Then again, around where I live, real estate's always been fairly inexpensive in US-relative terms.
The American Dream is a detached house in the suburbs with surrounding lawn/garden. You then get into an oversized gas-guzzling pollution-spewing SUV and drive for 30-60 minutes (typically) into the city to go to work. Although this is a stereotype, I actually do conform (except for the SUV part - well, and the "going to work" part ). I'd never even seen a rowhouse until a business trip took me up to Philadelphia, and while I have lived in apartments, most of the time I've lived in a house. Around here a 4-bedroom house will typically rent for about $1200-1500/mo.
If your needs are more modest, I was renting out my previous dwelling, which was an older, smaller 3BR, 1bath unit for $500/month. I had a tenant from California who couldn't believe anything could be so affordable. It's still a bit more than you could afford on $6000 a year, though. I was making 3 times that when I bought it back in the '70s.
 
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BHK is Bedroom Hall Kitchen. It is same as BR in the US. In the US, 1BR means H and K are included so it is same as 1BHK.
 
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