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Anyone has every hired any such firms to aide in job search? I know there is this one firm Allen and Associates that offer such services. According to them, they advertize you as the job candidates to executives of various companies that fit your profile of desired company by sending them your resume and broadcast "marketing" sort of letter. They also offer resume coaching, interview, salary related services. According to them, most of the jobs that are advertized have too much competition so they go after job opportunities that are not advertized, and those make up 80% of the jobs.
But they charge you for their services (usually a grand or so). I'm wondering if it's worth it. What do you guys think?
 
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I'd be highly skeptical. That is usually done only at the executive level. While it's true that many jobs are unadvertised, instead obtained by networking, it's not clear that they can add $1,000 worth of value to your ability to network. Do they any kind of garantees? Can the give examples of how their service helped? How long have they been in business? How long have they offered this service?
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Hi,
This company has been around and usually catering to executive level or a step above financial analyst. They will give you a manual or booklet tell how to interview etc. executives only buy in into this because internet was not popular back then and the majority executives did not know how to navigate the net.
Any consulting firm claims to have back door entry, you better watch out. Companies are leery because the Big 5 burned quite a few reputations. Favortism and nepotism are not well recommend in today labor market. But the catch is the individuals connection are OK. I think you should follow that hint and create yourself a personal network. Honestly, you could find your employment in the most unlikely places. It is up to you willing to open the line of communications. If you are married, you have 2 open channel compare to single. For examples, your favorite barbershop, have you think of that? Granted some of them English are crap shoot. But you are not employed by them, they are your channels of communication. Your wife favorite cosmetologist and the legion of beauty pamper. Heck, desperate time requires desperate solutions.
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MCao
 
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Mark, they don't give you any gaurantees. Their market pitch is that they send your resume to the key executive people of the companies who are the decision makers in the process. And this in turn puts the candidates up above in the line even before the job is advertized or handed over to other third party recruiters.
Matt, thanks. That makes sense.
 
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:

Companies are leery because the Big 5 burned quite a few reputations. Favortism and nepotism are not well recommend in today labor market.


This is wrong. Favortism and nepotism are alive and well. Not only are these ideas around, they are good for business. Fundamentally, business is about trust (you're trusting someone else who will impact your financial outcome). It's easier to trust someone you know.
The big 5 accounting firms screwed up because they lied. The "favortism" was that they worked both sides of the equation. they were responsibile for objectively reporting earnings as well selling the stock itself (that description is a big simplication, but the gist is right). The problem was that one side would lie to cover for the other. That is very frowned upon these days. But hiring a friend of a guy who works there is alive and well. I challenge you to offer evidence otherwise, outside of a single company or two.
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:

But hiring a friend of a guy who works there is alive and well.
--Mark


Hi,
Is it qualify as personal connection? As we both work days in and days out, surely we have to interface with colleagues whether within the same company or external associates.
What you said ring a bell to me, I puzzle over Boeing and Boston Scientific, their quality people did not do the job sufficiently. But they balked whenever outside candidates trying to get in. Their HR did looking for outside help too from Director to the guys/gals at the trenches. Some made in, but very few in between.
Regards,
MCao
 
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Look, I know that times are tough. And Allen & Associates is a recognized name. But still, this goes against all practice in the industry. Normally a headhunter gets an amount equal to 30% of your first-year's salary if they place you and you are kept for a certain minimum time. So reputable placement organizations have little to gain by trying to collect at both ends - especially since the payoff at the employer end is so much bigger.
What this REALLY says to me is they doubt there's a chance in Hell they'll be abvle to place you, so they'd rather go after an up-front payment from you than hope that wonderfully-skilled you will actually get hired.
 
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Tim's correct.
Reputable firms that work in your area of expertise will be more than happy to put your resume on file for free as it gives them a more rounded out portfolio to send to their clients.
I've had several job interviews through agencies like Huxley associates that sadly didn't work out but I felt at all times that the match was good.
In some instances there were more experienced candidates (who would be preferred for the money offered of course), in several others we concluded after analysis that the company had only gone through the moves without any intention to hire at all or that the posted requirements for the position had been wrong (so the recruitment firm had been sending the right people for the wrong position).
 
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:

Hi,
Is it qualify as personal connection? As we both work days in and days out, surely we have to interface with colleagues whether within the same company or external associates.
What you said ring a bell to me, I puzzle over Boeing and Boston Scientific, their quality people did not do the job sufficiently. But they balked whenever outside candidates trying to get in. Their HR did looking for outside help too from Director to the guys/gals at the trenches. Some made in, but very few in between.
Regards,
MCao


I didn't want to hijack this thread, so I started a new one here.
--Mark
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