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Lists of jobs that won't be off-shored to India

 
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Wouldn't expect the production of all-beef hamburgers to be outsourced to India anytime soon.
In another thread Tim Holloway remarks that neither will jobs that pay Third World Wages.
Anymore ?
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Jobs which require closed customer interaction won't be outsourced.Also those programming jobs which involve quick customization or work which require university research won't be outsourced.
 
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As a rule of thumb:
If the job requires actual physical contact with customers or other people, or if you have to physically touch products non-offshorable apparatus, you're safe. All bets are off for anything else. This includes jobs where, while your own individual job requires the above, the larger business unit you're in can be offshored (e.g. computer network technician for a BPO'd unit).
And, of course, I already mentioned (only half jokingly) the idea of turning Wal-Mart stores into one big automat by placing large chunks of the store into containerized freight modules serviced by lower-cost labor overseas.
I'm just waiting for the day that they start offshoring economists. They're the ones who seem to thing that this is such an unmitigated good thing...
 
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If the job requires actual physical contact with customers or other people, or if you have to physically touch products non-offshorable apparatus, you're safe.


So doormen and porters in the tourist industry are safe jobs, then Tim ? (customers- tourists, touch products that are non-offshoreable -doors)
Seriously, the tourist industry related jobs would seem a safe bet.
An X-boxing doorman may just clinch that job for life.
I shouldn't think *any* other tourist-related job is off-shoreable unlike the medical and health-related industry of which some are off-shoreable.
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Thinking about it jobs for porters are under threat.
Munich Airport has a new system where baggage is individually marked and railed in individual carts in an *underground* system of track between points and off-loaded to the plane if departing or directly to the passenger on exit.
I've seen a similar system on a smaller scale at airports in America ; I think it was a rushed implementation after the 9/11 attack.
So doormen might be safe but not porters. Major hotels would most probably be implementing such systems. Talking about Wal Mart freighting in containers of groceries, you could find hotel meals being ordered the same way. So you may as well consider the hotel chef off-shored.
Of course if you want to eat out, expect to pay a bill of approx �1,000
that's what's required to pay anyone to cook on-shore.

Of course the cleaner jobs won't be off-shored but most hotels seem to employ immigrant labour. An Italian ship had mostly immigrant African cleaners, Italian waiters and English entertainers. An interesting case-study of Upstairs and Downstairs.
These three jobs are not likely to be off-shored.

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Any job related to religion won't be off-shored , though one might like it to be so.
Entertainment of the movie kind looks like it might be off-shored with Russians playing the non-talking(currently) European roles.
Hindi films in Russia have decades of popularity, I believe, slipping through all censor boards.

Russian models 'sell' Eastern designer clothes on Indian catwalks.
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The same question was asked at CNBC yesterdy lunch hour, and one 'expert' (donno who or what she is), thinks jobs requiring security clearance (not only just defense contracts, a number of other positions require security clearance to get into) would stay in America for ever. I would agree.
 
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Build & Integration Engineer.
Someone has to put all that stuff produced in offshore locations together. right?
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Originally posted by Richard Scothern:
Build & Integration Engineer.
Someone has to put all that stuff produced in offshore locations together. right?
Richard


Nope. It's shipped pre-assembled. Unless you mean the DIY furniture kits.
It's funny mentioning tourist industry stuff, however, since that's one of the biggest income sources in my state (followed by citrus and marijuana farming, as I recall). We're still reeling from 9/11, though we've done better than some places recession-wise.
However, one thing I notice in old movies is all the service jobs that were once common and no longer are. Like elevator operator and gas station attendant (pump jockey). Even in the ones that remain, like baggage handling, a lot of it's now self-serve. Few establishments have doormen now.
Overall, I'd say the last few decades have been significant in the virtual abolition of an appreciation for service and quality in favor of quantity and cheap.
Service jobs are all rock-bottom wages, though. Even the manager jobs pay maybe $25K. You wanna be rich, you don't work in the hotel - you gotta own it.
 
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IRS agent
HomeLand Security
FBI agents
Treasury Security Agents( the people who cuaght the bomers in Pakistan, INdoneisa..part of the Embassy security)
ATF Agents
Airline Pilots
 
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User Interface designers?
They work closely with the Customer.
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CEO's
Politicians
 
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Property Developers, Builders, Architects are a safe bet.
All government bureaucracy associated with these jobs too.
I'm not so sure about the last as it seems feasible that some services may come from afar(water, electricity) and so involves some off-shoring.
(if you can call another country on the same land mass , off-shoring).
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So if all work is offshored, do we have a better more efficient society?
I think we've lost track of industry it's not only there to provide earnings for the elite, it also provides stability in a society. Push the peasants to far and they revolt( or start trading between themselves)
Additionally capitalism always needs to consume, new teritory is always required for exploitation. So todays India is tomorrows China then maybe the Moon, Saturn .....
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Architects and engineers are already being offshored. Unlike software, building plans don't need as much English skills, so China's a favored destination. Actual real estate development companies are often out-of-town anyway, but they're more what I'd call an investment group than a significant employer.
Site preparers and inspectors have to go on-site (no Philadelphia jokes, please! ).
User-interface designers? Based on a lot of software I've used, they didn't offshore those positions, they never hired them to begin with .
I think we can safely say that most utility company jobs will stay on the continent. They may be outsourced, but not not offshored, and geography aside, that means that wage competition will still be limited to local cost-of-living (which is why offshoring is so hard to compete with: THEY aren't!).
I am a little concerend about the really long term. About the year 2050 the world population is predicted to stabilize. Much of the benefits of modern society result from the extra opportunities that come from selling into expanding markets. While "idea space" is limited only by the number of new concepts people can handle, "commodity space" is limited by the number of people, so if you have industry competition turning into a zero-sum game, there's a potential for stagnation. Rather like what I just read about Microsoft no longer being interested in CSS compliance now that they have no effective competition in the browser market - even though they'd originally helpd pioneer CSS.
Of course I'll have starved to death by then...
 
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Rather like what I just read about Microsoft no longer being interested in CSS compliance now that they have no effective competition in the browser market - even though they'd originally helpd pioneer CSS.


Tim,
Do you have a link to this? I would really be interested in reading about it.
Thanks,
Stephen
Edit: Never mind, I found a link on SlashDot. Thanks.
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With the number of poor quality buildings built in China, this scares me.
Hong Kong has some good Fung Shui buildings.
New buildings in the UK have really short leases and the quality is often suspect. That's another thing that's not built to last. I got a used lawn-mower from a friend 10 yrs ago for �30, he'd had it for 5 yrs and it's still going strong. I bought a similar model for a friend recently as a house warming gift for �35.It was really light and came with plastic blades and screws so that even a kid could put it together. You can get replacements for any part at many outlets but expect to fork out �10-�20 per visit. To get a really good model that lasts expect to pay over �100-�200.

There's an analogy there.

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The derailing and management of the railways in Britain may well be off-shored.
There are much better models elsewhere. And that too, in a country that invented the railways.
I blame Maggie Thatcher for the privatisation and subsequent stripping of these assets. In contrast I 'felt' the wealthiest in her government as my assets showed a healthy return.
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Translaters.
 
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Originally posted by HS Thomas:
Thinking about it jobs for porters are under threat.
Munich Airport has a new system where baggage is individually marked and railed in individual carts in an *underground* system of track between points and off-loaded to the plane if departing or directly to the passenger on exit.


It's Amsterdam. I think Stockholm has a similar system.
Munich has an older version that's only partially automated.
The automation doesn't include loading the actual aircraft (yet), but it now is starting to include loading the carts and container carrying the bags to the aircraft (though that is still mainly manual labour as it requires judgement about which stacking will yield the largest amount of bags in a given volume without having soft bags at the bottom.
This part of the job is mainly handled by poorly paid foreign workers, which explains in part the high incidence of stolen luggage items at some airports.

I've seen a similar system on a smaller scale at airports in America ; I think it was a rushed implementation after the 9/11 attack.


Implementation was planned already, but 9/11 gave the final push towards clearing the funds for implementation.

So doormen might be safe but not porters. Major hotels would most probably be implementing such systems. Talking about Wal Mart freighting in containers of groceries, you could find hotel meals being ordered the same way. So you may as well consider the hotel chef off-shored.


Doormen have been made largely redundant by the revolving door in the 1800s...
 
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Airline Pilots


You'd be surprised...
There's many airlines that don't employ a single native pilot (though probably no or few US based ones) either because foreigners are cheaper or simply because there are no (or not enough) natives with the required skills.
Largest of these is Singapore Airlines, Emirates is another prime example.
 
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Well I had to go to Heathrow this morning and American Airlines had a kerb-side check in so it's probably catching on.
I was pretty sure the documentary said Munich. I've only transitted through Amsterdam recently and lost my bags in France's Charles de Gaule.
The latter did have porters but bags were dumped on the floor at several collection points and it was a case of DIY portering. Actually , I remember that there was a strike on for several weeks that time.
The French strike a lot.
I once flew a rickety Air Sudan flight crewed by an all Scandinavian crew.
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