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Has anyone else came across a ex-employeer that will not allow your manager to provide a reference? And how do you explain this to agents or other potential managers.
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Tony, it's pretty much the norm for the UK now. There should be no need to explain, the recruiter should be aware of these ~rules~.
 
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Many US companies have a similar policy. They are worried that if a manager (or any employee) says something bad about a former employee that's grounds for a lawsuit. I know some people get around it by saying, "The policy of Acme Corp is to not comment on current or prior employees. However, here is my personal opinion..."
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Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
Many US companies have a similar policy. They are worried that if a manager (or any employee) says something bad about a former employee that's grounds for a lawsuit. I know some people get around it by saying, "The policy of Acme Corp is to not comment on current or prior employees. However, here is my personal opinion..."
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Yup, that is the policy of my ex-employer also. However I managed to get excellent references nonetheless, on a strictly personal basis.
 
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cant they just write a official reference or recommendation letter?
 
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Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
cant they just write a official reference or recommendation letter?


That's even worse, now you have written official commentary on others which can be presented in court during a lawsuit. The whole point of the rule is to prevent getting sued.
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Hi,
It is too cumbersome and very dangerous position for the employer because lawsuit in US already established the ground rule for the right to sue the ex-employer whom provided the unsolid reference to an ex-employee. It stems from two cases.
1. After spending an obscence amount of money to recruit the walk-on-water candidate only later the company found out the candidate do not worth that much. So the company sued the candidate previous employer for providing an in-accurate reference.
2. An unemployed guy tries to land a position in a desired company, he had a written reference document to show the prospective employer. The company HR tries to validate the document with the original source only to find out a different version; therefore, the company rejected the fellow applicant. He sues his previous employer for retaining a superior whom having personal vendata against him, the court ruled in his favor.
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MCao
[ October 30, 2003: Message edited by: Matt Cao ]
[ October 30, 2003: Message edited by: Matt Cao ]
 
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Tony,
As long as you can get an HR statement from teh company saying "It is not company policy to provide references" then you'll be ok. Large numbers of companies are doing this now. When I worked in HR 4 years ago references even then were just statements of fact:
dates of service
days off sick
and that's about it. If you can't get any official document some companies may be suspicous about why you cant get a reference.
john
 
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