H1-B Nightmare

[Rufus BugleWeed]

The Indians have got their website going again. Free seminar in India (Hyderabad, A.P.) for future H-1Bs -

DON'T LET YOUR AMERICAN DREAM TURN INTO AN H-1B VISA NIGHTMARE

[Chitra Kumar]

The article looks old to me....

[JiaPei Jen]

How come I do not see the article using the link you provided?

[Arjun Shastry]

Thats 21 October 2001.Current year is 2003.!!!

[Rufus BugleWeed]

H1-B visa abuse has been a problem for a long time. So what's your point?
The linked story about the H1-B nightmare on 11 Oct 03 is up to date.
No Americans Need Apply
May the best man win
[ October 30, 2003: Message edited by: Rufus BugleWeed ]

[Matt Cao]

Hi Rufus,
Why the subject in the article did not realized Tata, TCS, Wipro, etc. are all Indians companies? Was he rejected solely base on his citizenship or because he could not speak the language?
Every Indians I met, all told me they learn English in grade schools. But when are together, all spoken in something other English. The same story repeats for HongKongese, Singaporeans, or Filipino people.
Regards,
MCao

[Rich Carl]

I don't know why this guy is cribbing so much. Would he really go to India if he were offered a job. I'm sure there are some companies who wouldn't mind hiring an American and then putting him on one of their offshore projects (who better to talk to American than an American?)
But this guy just for the purposes of this article probably made one or two half assed calls to some obscure company. And when it says TCS doesn't hire anybody but Indians, its heresay. Maybe true in India coz you have nobody but Indians. I know of many Foreigners who live and work in India. Tom Alter, Bob christo anyone? two of the most famous celebrities.
And if he was this frustrated, he sounds Chinese by descent and I'm sure China has an even better economy and has plenty of IT jobs. They would more than welcome a chinese person with so much international experience....why not go there instead?

[krithika desai]

looks like India bashing is a favourite thing these days! :-)

[Paavam Payyan]

Well, Rufus again, and why am I not surprised!
Indians or any other foriegn nationals (unlike snake-head human smuggling group of HK/China) enter the USA by applying to the government, legally, and US governments rule clearly states that these skilled workers are allowed in only because they are required in there (are they really is another question).
In one of the above links, an American citizen wouldn't get an H1B equivalent visa to work in India, simple because in India there is no labour shortage, at least at this stage.
Just like how US government wouldnt let Indians or Chinese into the USA to flip burgers in KFC, India, for now, doesn't require skilled migrant labour to do the IT job - its as simple as that, in my humble opinion.

[Rufus BugleWeed]

I started this thread with a link to the Immigrant Support Network's site to validate my claim that even H1-B's acknowledge the H1-B visa system can be a nightmare.
There is no shortage of labor, high tech, low tech or no tech in the USA. There's a surplus of capitalist pigs who cannot make enough money.
I see Walmart is working its illegal immigrants 7 days a week. I've been to Bentonville, Arkansas, the Walmart company town. Old pick up trucks are being replaced by BMWs. Scrubby old cattle pastures are growing 3 and 4 thousand foot luxury homes.
The H1-B visa program is abused by the industry to
a) drive down wages
b) drive down benefits
c) get rid of people who will not bend over
d) increase profits
I posted links to other articles. They were written by other people. If you see them as India bashing that's your opinion. ( For most of the time since 1947 India has been real chummy with the USSR. Isn't it interesting what motivates them to court new friends. Aside from their lust for dollars, I wonder if their ideology has changed? )
The only bashing I'm doing is to the people who feel they have the right to trot the globe. They feel they should have the right to compete in somebody elses country on a may the most qualified person get the job basis. YET THEY DO NOT ALLOW PEOPLE TO GO TO THEIR COUNTRY AND COMPETE. Frquently it is not the most qualified.
I am no immigration lawyer. The guy say he would like to go to India and work in the IT business. Considering 480,000 H1-B's have come to the US to work in the IT industry. The biggest share of that 480,000 came from India. It would only seem fair that India could open it's border to any US citizen who wanted to come there and work. They guy in the article said India told him he could come and spend his dollars as a tourist, but he was not earning any money from a global IT trade.

[ucbus ucbus]

Whats your point???

[Natalie Kopple]

In addition to what Rufus said, I saw this somewhere:

There are roughly 425,000 skilled temporary workers in the U.S. on H-1B visas, which are good for six years. Fifty-percent of them are from India and China. They, along with hundredth of thousands of other applicants, which might include spouses and other family members of citizens, have to vie for the 140,000 green cards available worldwide each year. And the quotas limit each country to 9,800 green cards per year.
There is a huge backlog in green card applications currently in the Immigration and Naturalization Service pipeline. A country extensively uses the guest worker visa program to send its citizens to the U.S. dramatically turns its citizens' American dream a nightmare. As things stand now, statistically, it will take an Indian or a Chinese H1-B visa holder around 40 years to get the permanent residency status were his/her boss to apply for it today.

It is almost equivalent to a sentence for life in prison.

[Salman Khattak]

Does anyone here know the wage structure in the South Asian Market?
Will you be willing to code J2EE application at a CMM Level 5 campus
for US$10/hr? plus, no benefits and no perks? I can go on with the skill set available in India/Pakistan/China and the amount of money needed to hire them, but lets just say IT Skills are abundantly available at a very cheap cost globally.
Global economy is not that easy to understand as Java servlets

TC

[Vishwa Kumba]

Remember IT is the only field which has good opportunites and money in India, if you are living in India. The rest of the fields is a different story. Again getting a job in a good software company is also NOT a piece of cake. There is good amount of competition in the indian market itself. Big companies who get the outsourcing projects, usually select candidates from the top universites and ask for good experience. Unemployment rate in India is very high, even though most of the literates have university education and a degree.
I can imagine the American/Chinese guy desperation. But again, the best man does not win always. He lost his job but the company for which he worked is going to benefit and so would the outsourcing company in India. It is not really a loss to the country, but a gain in the long run for both the countries. As a buddy in the same profession, I do offer my sincere sympathies to him. I am from India and had worked in the US before on a temporary visa. If I had obtained a green card/permanent residency, maybe even I would have been in the same situation as he is now.
[ November 10, 2003: Message edited by: Vish Kumar ]
[ November 10, 2003: Message edited by: Vish Kumar ]