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Liars, Damned Liars, and Managers???

 
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While reading the recent debates about programmers telling fibbies on their resumes I had a vagrant thought.
How many times have I been lied to in an interview? The answer is mostly.
What about lying claims made by software suppliers which programmers end up suffering for?
If subjecting employees to summary dismissal for lying is a good thing, surely it would be even better to subject managers and suppliers to the same treatment? Better ethics all-around. It's a plan.
What do you think?
 
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I'm serious about this. I've been around a few times and it happens all the time. Some managers don't lie in interviews but most do.
I say what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If you're for summary dismissal for lying then these people ought to be gone.
Otherwise what you may call a sense of ethics is actually something quite different. Situational ethics....
 
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well if its anything important insist on getting it in writing or just refuse to believe them :S
on the issue of CVs (resumes) i think a little exaggeration is often expected, as most job advertisements contain exaggerations too. 'excellent package + benefits' often means average wage and all the postage stamps you can take home.
 
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Producers vs Managers.
Who "lies" best. The signals that management give is that they'll look after the producers if they produce. Managers aren't sure what needs to be produced but produced it must be.
Managers tell the first "lie" and from there more "lies" are generated.To each "lie" is assigned the burden of proof. And that is life.
It could start off being a tissue of lies but if it holds water , does it cease to be lie ? A projects burden of proof is required quite early on these days that is why a process methodology like XP is exciting.
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[ November 28, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
 
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Originally posted by Tim Baker:
well if its anything important insist on getting it in writing or just refuse to believe them :S
on the issue of CVs (resumes) i think a little exaggeration is often expected, as most job advertisements contain exaggerations too. 'excellent package + benefits' often means average wage and all the postage stamps you can take home.


Don't do it! Taking postage stamps is theft and grounds for summary dismissal! As are pens, paper clips, and toilet paper.
 
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Management is being very severe these days all in all, it seems.
The scene: A cheapo meeting room in a building due to be demolished. The Manager and Alfred, the latter pinned in the corner:
Manager: "The project is 5 weeks behind. What are YOU going to do about it?"
Alfred: "I'm not sure. I could stay in a hotel to eliminate the 4 hour commute?"
Manager: "Too expensive. Be more creative!"
Alfred: "A 26 hour day would be nice. Absent that mealtimes and sleep are great time-wasters. How about hooking up an IV? Dual-use there. Nutrition and sleep-inhibiting drugs...."
Manager: "NOW you're talking! That's the kind of attitude we need around here! (Yawns). Time to go home. Wife and kids, you know. Golf tomorrow."
Alfred: "Yes I know. Have a good weekend, sir."
Which brings to mind something that Mark was worrying about some time ago. Call it Revenge of the Nerds.
I'm beginnign to see his point.
[ November 28, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]
 
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Beat them at their own game. Take up golf. I mean really beat them at their own game.
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I'm dangerous with a golf club, bith to myself and innocent bystanders. When I tried to play I had one shot, the head-high sizzling line-drive.
There's a thought! Play with the management team......
[ November 28, 2003: Message edited by: Alfred Neumann ]
 
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It's all in the swing. And Coriolis forces some would have us believe,
wind velocity, gravity, spin, the Moon's gravity, deep understanding of trajectories.
The 18-hole tramp is a killer, I believe. I knew a woman golfer(colleague) who could beat most managers hands down. Her husband was a pro-.
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[ November 28, 2003: Message edited by: HS Thomas ]
 
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