Bangalore beats California in the number of IT Jobs

[Steve Dupont]

Check this out - http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/406560.cms

[HS Thomas]

"The recent recession in the US also forced most corporates there to move thousands of jobs to India in addition to tech giants such as Cisco, Intel , IBM, Oracle and i2 relocating some of their Indian-origin employees from the US centres to Bangalore.

Indian tech workers also returned home in large numbers as jobs dried up in the US. "
This has to be an event unprecedented in all history....

[Pradeep bhatt]

Indian tech workers also returned home in large numbers as jobs dried up in the US.

I know several who have moved to US from India . :roll:

[ChanSan Mehbubani]

That was history.Now people are coming back.L1/H1B are not 'safe' as they used to be!!

[Ajeet Jose]

I agree. Now NRI IT people are going back. As it is 'safe' at home.
Many of my friends are moving from US ( couple of green card holders also) and Europe to India.
That includes me (French green card equalent holder).
IT future is bright at home than anywhere else

[Steven Broadbent]

But a commment on the article said this:-
It is really heartening to read the article. But, in the meanwhile, it makes sense to make research on the quality of so called techies employed in Bangalore. I suggest you to conduct a survey on their educational background and achievements. The reason is that more than 75 % of them are just ordinary engineering graduate who did not even get distinction their studies and cannot talk or write properly in English. Nearly half of 75 % techies are graduated from engineering colleges setup in sheds without any laboratories, libraries and qualified teaching staff. One need not be surprised if most of them are in Infosys, Wipro, IBM, Oracle, Accenture, Novell etc. What I try to emphasise is that we always try to glorify some insignificant things or events like this without focusing on the reality. Infosys, Wipro, TCS etc could have invested money in building quality educational infrastructure which could continuously feed quality technical professionals. But, instead of that they rely on substandard educational institutions setup by politicians in Karnataka, Andrapradesh, Tamilnadu, Maharashtra etc. We read news like that nearly 30 percent of software professional in USA is from Andrapradesh. But, there are many fake and bogus institutes in Andra which can churn out any certificate for a few thousands rupees, and most of these techies are product of such institute.

hmmmm......

[Ajeet Jose]

Time will tell us the truth
Letus wait and see what happens after 2 yrs from now..

[Arjun Shastry]

Originally posted by Steven Broadbent:
But a commment on the article said this:-
I suggest you to conduct a survey on their educational background and achievements. The reason is that more than 75 % of them are just ordinary engineering graduate who did not even get distinction their studies and cannot talk or write properly in English.... What I try to emphasise is that we always try to glorify some insignificant things or events like this without focusing on the reality. Infosys, Wipro, TCS etc could have invested money in building quality educational infrastructure which could continuously feed quality technical professionals. But, instead of that they rely on substandard educational institutions setup by politicians in Karnataka, Andrapradesh, Tamilnadu, Maharashtra etc. We read news like that nearly 30 percent of software professional in USA is from Andrapradesh. But, there are many fake and bogus institutes in Andra which can churn out any certificate for a few thousands rupees, and most of these techies are product of such institute.
hmmmm......

There is a truth and false both.Truth:Needs investigation about their achievements in Computer Science or Electrical Engineering other than job routine.False : Visit any of the website of these offshore company ,and we will see how their clients are praising them for doing xyz job in minimum time.
This glorification is a combined effort of many US companies and their offshores and ofcourse Government of India.

[Radha Saha]

US and Indian Industry , yes!
Govt. Of India?? It is of no help in India (Unlike in China!).
People like none other than Narayan Murthy have been complaining about poor infrstructure.

[loni silverstein]

check this out too "American accounting and medical billing firms are the latest to join the outsourcing bandwagon ..."
All US workers are doomed!
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/409181.cms

[Jason Menard]

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[Ajeet Jose]

I read somewhere the largest number of IT companies that hold CMM level 5 are from India.
How could this happen if they are not qualified?.
Who give CMM?. It is SEI
Are they mad to give 70% of inefficient companies/developers?.
Just take time and think.

[Matt Cao]

Originally posted by Radha Saha:
US and Indian Industry , yes!
Govt. Of India?? It is of no help in India (Unlike in China!).
People like none other than Narayan Murthy have been complaining about poor infrstructure.

Hi,

India never have been through cancerous ideology such as Communism. But it takes your country that long to see the sunlight. I have learned from textbooks India is the largest democratic country on earth, but the pace your country moving cause anyone with common sene to think more than twice. Please not compare your country with China. On personal level, I don't care how you people do it as long as you not kill nor steal for a living is fine with me.
Regards,
MCao

[Ashok Mash]

Originally posted by Ajeet Jose:
Who give CMM?. It is SEI
Are they mad to give 70% of inefficient companies/developers?.

May be SEI is outsourcing their audit work to some ""inefficient"" Indian firm!

[sunitha reghu]

Originally posted by Steven Broadbent:
But a commment on the article said this:-
The reason is that more than 75 % of them are just ordinary engineering graduate who did not even get distinction their studies and cannot talk or write properly in English. Nearly half of 75 % techies are graduated from engineering colleges setup in sheds without any laboratories, libraries and qualified teaching staff..

hmmmm......

I dont know from where you got this number. There are lot of good engg colleges in india and these companies take students directly thr campus interviews. Even if one techie is frm a ordinary college and he doesnt know to code which company will give this guy salary.

[Steven Broadbent]

It wasn't my comment. If you look at the article:-
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/406560.cms
those remarks are comments someone has posted at the site.

[Steven Broadbent]

There are more comments on that site now. Seems to be getting rather heated. Check it out!

[Karthik Guru]

Business Week's Best managers
Wipro's Vivek Paul is right up there !

[himanshu patel]

With my 4 years of experience, I can say that Education background does not much help to be a softwate techie.I m an electonics engineer by education but software professional by profession.My electonics engineering background noway helping me in developing best software.
Many of my friends are not even a engineering graduate but are good software developer.
I believe Logical,mathamatical and analytical intelligence much helps to
become successful developer rather than just education background.That is why most company have logical/aptitude test as a pre requisite criteria for selection process.And last but not least,in software industry experince matters a lot irrespective of Education bakgrouund.And experiecne comes with hardworking.My manager is least qualified than i m but he has got much experience than me.In my company the best technial person is just a B.Sc.(Maths).He does not even have an engineering qualification.
[ January 07, 2004: Message edited by: himanshu patel ]
[ January 07, 2004: Message edited by: himanshu patel ]

[Arjun Shastry]

Originally posted by himanshu patel:
With my 4 years of experience, I can say that Education background does not much help to be a softwate techie.I m an electonics engineer by education but software professional by profession.My electonics engineering background noway helping me in developing best software.
Many of my friends are not even a engineering graduate but are good software developer.
I believe Logical,mathamatical and analytical knowledge much helps to
become successful developer rather than just education background.

Thats perfect.I agree.Even Professor Matloff says that 'for a software career graduate degree is also not required,forget Phd'.Also knowing Math is not a requirement but sometimes useful.
One thing about aptitude test etc: These CAT type tests useless .They require ordinary arithmatic and speed which comes with practice.

[himanshu patel]

But test like Infosys conduct for their slection process requires much intelligence.Its not easy to crack even if they give us freedom of time.

[Arjun Shastry]

Originally posted by himanshu patel:
But test like Infosys conduct for their slection process requires much intelligence.Its not easy to crack even if they give us freedom of time.

Thats cleverness(not high intelligence) which again comes with practice!!Also I think cracking those test does not make a great programmer.Infy has tonns of programmers/software engineers.But how many are really innnovative at world level?

[himanshu patel]

Originally posted by Capablanca Kepler:

Thats cleverness(not high intelligence) which again comes with practice!!Also I think cracking those test does not make a great programmer.Infy has tonns of programmers/software engineers.But how many are really innnovative at world level?

Hummm...That is also right.
But just to mention, bangalore have almost all big blue chip company's development hub including Sun Microsystem, oracle and they are developing absolutely finest software.
The queastion is If bangalore techie does not produce good quality software than why company are investing so much in bangalore? Why not in other places? Im sure no company would invest millions if investment does not yield in return.
To my knowledge, Intel too have plan to set up IC chip production unit in bangalore.From statistics,every 3 days new company opens in bangalore.Bangalore does billion dollars software export without quality?Strange?

[himanshu patel]

Just one analysis.
Say a person 'A' finishes his graduate degree at age 21 and opts for software job. Now say a person 'B', after finishes his graduate opts for his Masters and/or Ph.D program.
Now after 5 years,Person 'B' is employed.
But now since person 'A' has got much experience than person 'B',
he will definately draws more salary than person 'B' who have just employed.This may prove wrong in some cases but in general it is true.
Now think which is wise? Spendig more years in higher education or
getting more experience? Bcoz Its is rare to see a person who have bachelor degree with years of experience, is drawing less salary than a person who have master degree and just lend up with job.This might not be the case in other industry but for software industry it is true to much
extent. I think that is what Indian people does.
Personally, I would prefer experience than higher education in software profession. I have read in many post that many persons in US who have very high qualification are still unemployed. Its true that compare to US, average people in india are less educated.
In my 4 years association with software industry,i have not seen any thing which can learn only from high education.
May be u think a deviation from the original topic, but i think that might answer well about quality of software people.
I think experienced person can develop better quality software than a person with high education but less experience. After all why we do more education ? To get more money & good life right? If that can get from high experiecne, why need to spend more time in education?Again this is my personal views.
While exploring MBA oppertunity in USA, I have come across articles where many people have advised that instead of studying in top ten MBA college with much high tution fees , study in college with lesser fees.You would get less salary in starting but that is compromisable if you calcualte investment in high tution fees.