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IT work culture in Bangalore/Chennai (India in general)

 
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Hi,
Since I never worked in India and planing to do so, could you share your experiences?.
Probably this thread will help others considering moving to India.
My questions are..
(some may be outright stupid, ignorant)
At work..
+ do you see racism like
- north Indian vs south Indian
- tamil's vs kannada's vs andra's vs kerala's vs etc
- brahmins vs non brahmins
- hindus vs non hindus
- etc

+ do you see
- soaping the boss (praise the idiot boss for getting something)
- pulling other guys leg
- bribing for promotions
- cheating the job
- getting other guys chance by bad practices
- missing chances/recognition due to any of the above mentioned racism

+ How well your ..
- work recognized?.
- skills appreciated ?.
- contributions accepted?.

+ Do you have..
- freedom in thought, speech, expression, dressing
- to put 'big salaam' to the boss everyday
- to say 'yes sir' to anything
- to address people in higher stack by 'sir/madam'


I am just ignorant of todays IT India culture.
All I had in my mind is traces of college days in India.
Sorry if my questions affects your feeling ...
Hope this thread do not create big fire..
 
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At work..
+ do you see racism like
- north Indian vs south Indian[NO,I never felt that.One who works efficiently and smartly always gets preference regardless of his region]
- tamil's vs kannada's vs andra's vs kerala's vs etc[NO,Sometimes the problem comes when people from same region speak their mother toungue in an office]
- brahmins vs non brahmins[NO,This is an outdated issue and everybody knows Casteism is illegal]
- hindus vs non hindus[NO]
- etc
+ do you see
- soaping the boss (praise the idiot boss for getting something)[I think this is very difficult to generalize.I have seen this in Silicon Valley(which is considered to be innovative etc]and also in India.
- pulling other guys leg[Please see above answer]
- bribing for promotions[Atleast in IT, NO.]
- cheating the job[Again depends on individual.1/6th of population stays in India,very difficult to generalize]
- getting other guys chance by bad practices
- missing chances/recognition due to any of the above mentioned racism[NO]
+ How well your ..
- work recognized?.
- skills appreciated ?.
- contributions accepted?.
Answers to the above lying in the fact that one must choose the right employer.
+ Do you have..
- freedom in thought, speech, expression, dressing[Yes]
- to put 'big salaam' to the boss everyday[No,that culture doe snot exist after globalization]
- to say 'yes sir' to anything[No,same as above]
- to address people in higher stack by 'sir/madam'[This is again difficult to generalize.I haven't seen a case where somebody got fired bcos (s)he was calling manager by his first name instead of Sir.
 
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Somethign very important that you missed here.
# Work hours
There is a tendency to make people work like slaves. Right now, i'm in a country where people take off at 4 in the evening. This is not likely to happen in India. Deadlines are normally *very* aggressive.
So be prepared to work long hours.
 
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Originally posted by karthik Guru:
So be prepared to work long hours.


long hours and odd hours too
sometime 6:00 am in the morning and sometime 10:00 pm in night and sometime both things same day
 
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Originally posted by R K Singh:

long hours and odd hours too
sometime 6:00 am in the morning and sometime 10:00 pm in night and sometime both things same day


Oh yeah
we had this little observation in my last project that we never got to get back home the same day we came in and that too for months at a stretch.
 
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God..thanks for mentioning that.
I am terrified by the Ooo...overtime !
Are you paid for extra time?
In France, it is against the law to force the workers more than 8h/day.
We can sue the employer.
 
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long and odd hours


Is it true for even top CMM level 5 companies or MNCs?
[ February 04, 2004: Message edited by: Ajeet Jose ]
 
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Originally posted by Ajeet Jose:
God..thanks for mentioning that.
I am terrified by the Ooo...overtime !
Are you paid for extra time?
In France, it is against the law to force the workers more than 8h/day.
We can sue the employer.


Then you better stay in France. It has been a long time since I worked in India. But I suspect the work culture would not have changed that much. You will most likely not get paid for overtime. And overtime may even be expected of you by some managers.
 
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long and odd hours


Atleast do you get the full weekend (saturday and sunday)?.
Are you expected to work in weekend too?.
 
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weekends ...
did you ask about weekends .. it depends on project to project.. but most of the time, in the last 30-40% phase of the project you might have to come.
Overtime .. there is no such thing exist in Indian IT industry. Yes, you can get food and travel free if you stay in night but I have not seen many people ordering food in night at the expense of company. 1 out of 10 nights someone will order Pizza(thats also when he has no time to go out and have dinner).
 
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In India you will have to work hard..going home at 6 is not common..most of the time you will have to work during week ends..If you cannot do that stay in France.
[ February 05, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]
 
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...and this is BY ORDER.
Pradeep Bhat
Chairman,India Inc
 
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Guys..I am really scared !!
Looks like in India IT guys just work work work.. no personal life.
Ultimatly missing great part of personal life.
I may be Ok for work horses at the age group 24 - 34.
But for family men like me in late 30s with kids to take care off.. it is just unimaginable !!
 
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Hi Ajeet,Ravish and Pradeep have slightly exgagerated these things.Its not that slave culture at all. .Only during implementation/production phase one has to sit little extra.and I think this is everywhere.Nobody forces you sit till late.Trick is to choose right employer.
 
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Hi Ajit,
All above observations are true and have experienced it myself.
Also if you do not work that hard(!!!) then you are considered less competitive.
Add to this all 'Family problems' like quality time for children,daily chores etc and I will say you will be better off outside India.
Frankly speaking, India has jobs in IT but they are out of proportions compared to available workforce so exploitation is unavoidable. May be When there is such a competition, 'personal time' etc becomes a luxury in itself!
 
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There are time when then there is no work at all. I dont have any work since some days.
 
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Trick is to choose right employer.


I guess you must have chosen one.
[ February 05, 2004: Message edited by: Pradeep Bhat ]
 
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Casablanca,
It may not be ture always but it is true for most of the 'right' employers as well ( unless you are self employed).
I have seen even people in 25-30 age group complaining about this.
 
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Originally posted by Tanga Palti:
...and this is BY ORDER.
Pradeep Bhat
Chairman,India Inc


who am i?
 
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Trick is to choose right employer.


Could you please list the employers that are not so 'un-human'?.
I have ZERO knowledge about IT employers and their work culture in India.
 
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Why are you planning to come to India? :roll:
 
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Originally posted by Rei Damle:
I have seen even people in 25-30 age group complaining about this.


complaining .. who the hell is complaining .. ??
 
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Why are you planning to come to India?


No 1 reason:
To educate my children in India
- (Indian education system is far better than here)
To grow them in Indian culture
- (here the children leave the parants at the age of 17 or 18 and just forget them and thier own brothers, sisters)
- (Indian kids just get lost in the local society, I have seen people braught up here even ashamed of their indian origin. They are neither local nor Indian, they never accepted by locals and they can never live in India)
To rejoin with my family and society
- (I don't want my kids to loose their identity and culturally confused)
No 2 reason:
To get away from racism.
At your home land you are the king even you are average.
At others land they consider you as alien, parasite, untouchable.
In middle east the locals refer asians as 'kalb' which means 'dogs'.
In europe, they are not that bad but still you see racism.
(You won't see it if you visit here or as a single youth doing staying alone for a project for a short time. But you see it if your are a family man and living with kids, and watch your kids how they are treated in their peers)
No 3 reason:
To enjoy in our culture/claimate
(From your posts, it looks like Indian IT companies will not give us any time to enjoy, they just squeeze us)
[ February 05, 2004: Message edited by: Ajeet Jose ]
 
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Actually it depend on individual ..
no one actually forces you to stay, you are assigned a task, if you complete in working 8 hrs a day then you go home. No one will ask why are you going.
 
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any more info?.
 
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