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what happens when India runs outof good resources

 
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I mean what happens to the global outsourcing trend.
You can argue that another country will pickup the batton. But, India has certain advantages to begin with and is considered for different aspects of outsourcing for those specific reasons.
 
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If this is about jobs, I'll move it to Jobs Discussion. Could you please clarify your question?
 
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It's like Jay Leno says - They'll make more!
 
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Originally posted by Michael Ernest:
If this is about jobs, I'll move it to Jobs Discussion. Could you please clarify your question?


Its somewhat jobs related. But this kind of question will have better audience/discussion in MD forum.
 
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Originally posted by Rufus BugleWeed:
It's like Jay Leno says - They'll make more!


The problem I see with 'Making more' is according to a Indian Goverment study to produce reasonable quality graduates, they need to cut the number of Engineering institutes by 45%(because there are not enough profs and lecturers who can teach in a basic sense)
 
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Er ... I didn't read Rufus as talking about the training issues....
 
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what happens when India runs outof good resources



I think it will not, the poplulation u see and the number of graduates releasing every year is increasing and ofcourse when people get experience u will find good resources automatically.
So, this question never araises..
 
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With 1 Billion People and millions of highly educated individuals graduating every year, I don't think that India will run out of resources anytime soon.
India's success does have adverse ramifications though. For example, real estate prices and wages are rising very fast. They are rising so fast that companies that have or are thinking of offshoring to India, are having second thoughts. However, if this happens I'm pretty sure that companies will find another country. The problem is that India speaks English and neighboring countries don't typically speak English, except for the Philippines and a few others.
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Originally posted by Jesse Torres:
India's success does have adverse ramifications though. For example, real estate prices and wages are rising very fast.


I guess India wouldn't run out of skilled programmers that quick, as there�s a huge number of qualified unemployed/under-employed in India. Increase in salary, I feel, will be reversed when more engineers (admissions to technical schools must have gone up again with this boom) enters the market, with latest, in-demand technology skill-sets.
However, I have to agree with Jesse there, the lack of infrastructure, buildings, roads and communication networks could slowdown the growth a couple of years from now, unless government executes a number of really massive development projects.
 
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..the lack of infrastructure, buildings, roads and communication networks could slowdown the growth a couple of years from now, unless government executes a number of really massive development projects.
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Distributing infrastructure/facilities evenly is the main challange for state/central government.2 weeks back I travelled through northen Karnataka(of which Bangalore is a capital).State has failed to provide electricity,enough water or infrastructure to almost major part of Karnataka.We can almost say (Karnataka - Bangalore = 0.)People from neighbouring states are already migrating to these kind of cities where basic facilities are provided.In next few years or even months Bangalore can become Mumbai where one has to pay some money to sleep even on the road.
 
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Originally posted by Ram Abdullah D'Souza:
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..the lack of infrastructure, buildings, roads and communication networks could slowdown the growth a couple of years from now, unless government executes a number of really massive development projects.
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Distributing infrastructure/facilities evenly is the main challange for state/central government.2 weeks back I travelled through northen Karnataka(of which Bangalore is a capital).State has failed to provide electricity,enough water or infrastructure to almost major part of Karnataka.We can almost say (Karnataka - Bangalore = 0.)People from neighbouring states are already migrating to these kind of cities where basic facilities are provided.In next few years or even months Bangalore can become Mumbai where one has to pay some money to sleep even on the road.


Yup. Although much is made of India's large population, it's often forgotten that an awful lot of them are basically goatherds. It's one thing to establish enclaves of the First World and quite another to scale up the entire country. First you have to provide the basic education for a more highly-skilled generation, then you have to make many of them engineers, roadbuilders, plumbers, electricians, construction workers and so forth. Even lawyers. It's not like you can train up the entire country to be J2EE developers. And, of course, not everyone wants to be a software developer (hard for us to imagine, I know ).
 
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Originally posted by Tim Holloway:
First you have to provide the basic education for a more highly-skilled generation, then you have to make many of them engineers, roadbuilders, plumbers, electricians, construction workers and so forth. Even lawyers.


In fact India has millions of engineers, road builders, plumbers, electricians, construction workers and all such sorts� already, you know!
Even with this second wave of IT boom, IT workers are only a very small fraction of India�s total work force � even though they get paid a lot more than workers in other trades! If almost all of the Indians that you come across in the West is into IT, that would be because the work-permit/visa regulations prevents other Indian workers to work in respective countries.
 
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:

In fact India has millions of engineers, road builders, plumbers, electricians, construction workers and all such sorts� already, you know!
Even with this second wave of IT boom, IT workers are only a very small fraction of India�s total work force � even though they get paid a lot more than workers in other trades! If almost all of the Indians that you come across in the West is into IT, that would be because the work-permit/visa regulations prevents other Indian workers to work in respective countries.


Hi,
Then what your people experience is a bubble just like American's IT experienced during the dotcom. Your country just drains the good resources from other professions into IT. Until at one-point, it's bursted.
I have never experience/know any overseas Indian has been subject of discrimination/denial to obtain the visa permit because of his/her trade. If there is, then he/she is what so-called a so-so. The West are full of them, why's needed more.
If your people want to improve living standards, change the laws/mores/taboo and population control. The lay-man will think of higher educations. You can study till your heads busted, if your government cannot create the environment for those intellectuals, then your people are nothing more than a coolies. The word I used is very offended. If you can see why the Fillipinos, Mexicans, and the majority Central and Southern American waves and waves of legal/illegal in the US, you will understand the word I used is not meant to deprive anyone. There are not many Japaneses and Koreans coming into US, because their countries already created a successful environments for them.
What I meant by environment is R&D labs, design processes, theory models, etc. something that the whole world can look up and study. I am sure Indians can do it, just needs time. Of course, on individuals level, you will do whatever best for your situations. Please not follow other people mantra, come up with the list of Indian-American successful stories. They are belonged in the micro level.
How do I know Indian can achieve it, I just look upon the stories of Far-East people. They are all following the same pattern.
1. Copy
2. Made to order
3. Tweak
4. R&D
5. New model/process
6. Teach
7. Recognition
Regards,
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Originally posted by Matt Cao:
..your people .. Your country just drains the good resources from other professions into IT. Until at one-point, it's bursted.
I have never experience/know any overseas Indian has been subject of discrimination/denial to obtain the visa permit because of his/her trade. ..then he/she is what so-called a so-so.
If your people want to improve living standards, change the laws/mores/taboo and population control. ..You ..your government cannot ..then your people are nothing more than a coolies... The word very offended.. waves and waves of legal/illegal in the US,


Err, okay, that�s some biased editing there, but you get my point? (that that post was less than nice?).
Also, I am not sure if you understood my point from my reply to Tim. All I was trying to say is India is not just a country full of IT workers, but a normal functional society with all sorts of professionals and skilled workers like any other country � there is no abnormal high numbers of IT workers in India.
And about the Visa regulation stuff � please let me explain. Say the worlds most efficient plumber (most skilled, world record holder in his trade or what ever!) Even if he want to, he can�t work in most other countries (USA for example) as there is no shortage (or visa regulations) to bring in plumbers from outside the country! Extrapolating this one trade (every other trade or profession, except in IT and medical field), you would see why most of the Indians in the west are either IT guys or doctors etc!
I agree with you about the development model, which is what India is trying to reach � with a population over a billion (as a secular democratic nation, we can not go China�s route of �ordering� people to not to have children, we are educating them, and it takes time!), it�s a slow process, and so far its going exceedingly well!
 
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Originally posted by Ashok Mash:

In fact India has millions of engineers, road builders, plumbers, electricians, construction workers and all such sorts� already, you know!
Even with this second wave of IT boom, IT workers are only a very small fraction of India�s total work force � even though they get paid a lot more than workers in other trades! If almost all of the Indians that you come across in the West is into IT, that would be because the work-permit/visa regulations prevents other Indian workers to work in respective countries.


When you're one of the most populous countries in the world, you have millions of everything. India has the single largest railway system in the world, and last I heard, it wasn't foreigners who maintain it. However, what I'm getting at is that as India grows its cities and its utilities, that's going to require even more engineers, etc.
It's perfectly reasonable to assume that any country that is a major provider of services to the rest of the world will have to have both enough personnel to provide those services and to provide services for that nation itself (unless they outsource internal services to somewhere even cheaper). The alternative is to starve oneself in the middle of plenty - or as the English adage goes, be the shoemaker with barefoot children.
Nonetheless, someone has to build those nice new campuses for Wipro and Infosys. Someone has to build roads and electrical facilities and water processing plants. Software engineers with money to burn are going to get addicted to refrigerators and airconditioning and televisions and so forth, and that's going to mean improvements in the electrical grid. And so forth. All those things that make First World countries so expensive to live in.
All these things mean that India (and for that matter, China) are going to be busy producing a lot more jobs than just IT ones as their economies grow.
 
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All these things mean that India is going to be busy producing a lot more jobs than just IT ones as their economies grow.
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Thats the common assumption on which policy makers and board room economists in India explaining their 'job' theory.But real situation I think is quite different.Offshore/computer related jobs are very few compared to overall working class.65% of population depends on agriculture.Computer related jobs do not really add to econommy other than purchasing few consumer products(Majority of these products are Japanese/Korean made!).
About non computer related jobs,there is huge unemployment.This does not become a big news in a world bcos unemployment was always huge with limited resources in a country.Now that 'more Infosys builinds means more Civil engineers means more Civil engg. jobs 'doesn't work in linear fashion.Its true that jobs have increased in service sector but they don't grow beyond 5/6 cities.19 out of 20 people are rejected by Indian Army for soldier position.
Its true that glitzy shopping malls are coming up and culture of consumerism is taking root,situation is forcing rural people to migrate to cities and towns in hoardes to slums causing social unrest.Planning commision of India says there are 35 millions unemployed today as compared to 27 millions 4 years ago.Largest employer Indian Railways published 20,000 jobs last year got 600000 applications!!
 
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