Demand for SCBCD in Indian Market?

[kriti sharma]

this is a call to the Indian folks here at javaranch!!!
i am an engineer from a reputed institute and am an SCJP. i got my first job through campus placements at Tata Consultancy Services.i had to quit the job in 9 months since i was given work on TCS internal specifics,something that will never be marketable and i would have to be a TCS employee all through my life.i am now working for a very small firm and making small projects in servlets and ejb. i want to get back to a reputed company.will a SCJP+SCBCD help me in getting a job at places like IBM,Oracle,CA etc here in Hyderabad and Bangalore? my work experience will be on very small scale projects since the scope of my company is very small(only 15 employees).Please help me decide if i shoud take up the exam?

[Lalit Chawla]

Hi Kriti,

Yeah the certification always adds onto your profile. Its doesn't matter much if your are working on the small scale of the project. The only thing which matters is your knowledge about the things. You should be able to prove yourself in terms of Detailed in and out of the things.
And yes, you have taken the right decision to leave TCS. I think you can easily get a job if you are having these certifications.
So go ahead and get the certification and don't prepare only for certification, try to get all the things involved.

Ok best of luck

Take care
Lalit

[Valentin Crettaz]

This is a job-related discussion and therefore I'm moving it to the Jobs Discussion forum.

Please continue discussing this topic there.
Thank you

[james edwin]

Hi Kirti,

Remember one thing always " WE NEED TO SURVIVE AND LIVE IN INDUSTRY AND NOT IN ONE COMPANY ".But whatever you learn in you life during work,is always helpful in future.

As per my personal suggestion work on the technology and working in small / big companies makes only little bit of difference.But in the end if you working on good technology i don't see any harm.

Keep on working in small companies and get exposure to all technologies whatever you can and once you have good experience,you can always switch to bigger companies.

Now Certification's are one of the ways of telling the company that see i know something and i am industry certified.But that doesn't mean you will not be interviewed.But certification will help your resume to get shortlisted as compare to others resumes and always remember once you are certified,expectation for the quality of work also goes UP ..

Regards,

James
[ June 06, 2004: Message edited by: james edwin ]

[Manish Hatwalne]

Nothing wrong in working for a small comany as long as you're happy with your work and get along well with yur co-workers. As you've had a first hand experience, working for a bigger compay does not necessarily mean better work.

I'll add a bit more since this is a topic which requires some thought. I have seen many bigger companies (TCS, PCS, WIPRO, Infy etc) hiring fresh non-CS engineers and training them on some XYZ stuff that these companies use. Since bigger companies enjoy better reputationa and ofer better pay, these ppl selom quit. But they don't even realize what they've been mising. I had friend which got into such biggies through campus and after 2/3 years I was shocked to see that he didn't even understand the dif between GET and POST url. Using internet never got imbibed in his sytem. He was happy nevertheless!

Get some and expereince and certs, and try for better opportunites but don't be desperate only to get associated with a bigger name again.

- Manish

[Arjun Shastry]

Yes,learning in small companies is many times better in terms of experience.But managers/proprietors of small firms are often found to be autocratic nature.Many things are taken personally.3 years back,I used to work for one company.Manager used to get red faced when people used to criticize his design.

[kriti sharma]

Thank you so much to everybody for motivating me. it has been ages since i have heard positive in life. i have a few goals in life and i want to share them with you all.please give your insights:

1) i am earning a pitiable amount at my current workplace,something with which i cannot run a household on my own.

2)i do want money in life but just sufficient to be able to stand alone.

3)i DO NOT want to earn this money by doing just any kind of work and with just any kind of lowly motivated, work-ethics-deficient people.

4)i do want to work in an environment where there are latest resources and technologies

5)i think that i can get 2) and 4) in big companies like IBM,Oracle etc. but can i also insure myself against 3)

6) is it possible to get good development work and nice people at a reputed firm which also pays me decent money?

7)are all of you dissatisfied with your work in some or the other ways i have mentioned above?is anybody enjoying perfect bliss?

8)is it negative for one's career to work on a maintenance project of a good technology say Java?

sorry for these nonsensical issues.just in case anybody feels like sharing his/her life.

thanks

[Arjun Shastry]

Originally posted by kriti sharma:

1) i am earning a pitiable amount at my current workplace,something with which i cannot run a household on my own.

2)i do want money in life but just sufficient to be able to stand alone.

3)i DO NOT want to earn this money by doing just any kind of work and with just any kind of lowly motivated, work-ethics-deficient people.

4)i do want to work in an environment where there are latest resources and technologies

5)i think that i can get 2) and 4) in big companies like IBM,Oracle etc. but can i also insure myself against 3)

6) is it possible to get good development work and nice people at a reputed firm which also pays me decent money?

7)are all of you dissatisfied with your work in some or the other ways i have mentioned above?is anybody enjoying perfect bliss?

8)is it negative for one's career to work on a maintenance project of a good technology say Java?

thanks

I would suggest you should look for Govt Job(no joke).Organizations like CDAC(NCST),DRDO,ISRO etc hire people.They are rigid in hiring but if you fit their criteria then points 1 and 2 become true.Govt salaries are sufficient to run the family.Some govt organizations give you house quarters to live.School etc is taken care of if you are working in Defence Research.For point 3,in govt. companies,there are two kinds of people.The one who drive the organization and other who just go ,work and come back.So you can choose accordingly.Point 4 is perfactly valid for govt. organizations with few exceptions.You will find people working on age old technolgies which are outdated.Point 6 is invalid for Govt organizations.For point 7,my answer is yes.

[Ankur Jain]

hi kirti,

We all dream of more or less the same(I�ll add a good wife also to this list).

[Billy Tsai]

what kinds of certifications does one require do be able to work in companies like Oracle, IBM, Sun Micro..... etc...

[Karthik Guru]

Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
what kinds of certifications does one require do be able to work in companies like Oracle, IBM, Sun Micro..... etc...

NONE (in India)

[Pradeep bhatt]

Originally posted by Ankur Jain:
hi kirti,

We all dream of more or less the same(I�ll add a good wife also to this list).

Any thing more?

[Arjun Shastry]

{
NONE (in India)
}
bcos of more offshoring.Otherwise these companies take seminars on interview dress code,eyesight angle with interviewer and how to prepare for technical interview.
[Thanks Pradeep,your above post doesn't contain the word TOI]
[ June 09, 2004: Message edited by: Ram Abdullah D'Souza ]
[ June 09, 2004: Message edited by: Ram Abdullah D'Souza ]

[Varun Khanna]

Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
what kinds of certifications does one require do be able to work in companies like Oracle, IBM, Sun Micro..... etc...

I have 4 certs. and I don't remember any interviewer/recruiter bothered to read/discuss about those certifications. I doesn't matter in India at all.

I have seen some of my co-workers scared of giving certifications as they think it gives a negative impression on the recruiter that you are proving yourself through certifications :roll:

[Pradeep bhatt]

Certifications are no good. A question I was always asked during different interviews why do I need certifications ?

[Pradeep bhatt]

[Thanks Pradeep,your above post doesn't contain the word TOI]

yes. I also would like to see that TOI is not found in any Indian houses.

[kriti sharma]

thank you everybody for your insights.can some of you post some real technical interview questions you have faced lately for J2EE/EJB/Java-General. i am scared of technical interviews. i always feel i know less.out of fear i find myself incapable of verbalizing all that i know very well.

[Jim Bracks]

Hi Varun Khanna and Pradeep


I have two questions for you guys.

What is required to get into IT industry in India?(a simple BCS ).

Why do so many Indians go for certs, if they dont matter?(or are useless)
do they get certified for fun.?



Thanks.

[Karthik Guru]

Originally posted by Ram Abdullah D'Souza:

bcos of more offshoring.

Yeah that may be a reason. Also, many of my friends / colleagues who are highly competent technically and analytically are NOT certified in any specific area. Infact most of the smartest guys I have worked with in my company do not even bother about certifications. Its not that big in India. It surprising actually, given the number of apps (or s'd i say deluge) that pour in for a handful of positions, that certs are not valued.

[Ankur Jain]

Honestly, you people have scared the hell out of me!!
let me put in this way ,if there's a guy from some XYZ engg. college in some ABC city completing the grads with 85+% but having no clue of j2ee and there's a guy from another college with not so great % but is an SCBCD . who,do you guys think, is more suitable for java related job.?

[Varun Khanna]

Originally posted by Jim Bracks:
What is required to get into IT industry in India?(a simple BCS ).

Are you asking about credentials/skills OR about VISA /other govt. formalities for non-Indian citizens?

Why do so many Indians go for certs, if they dont matter?(or are useless)
do they get certified for fun.?
Thanks.

I gave certs. mostly when I was on bench and had nothing to do. I tried to utilize that time.
I have also seen people, eyeing jobs abroad, going for certifications.

[Billy Tsai]

how many people has Oracle Certified Master in india?

[Wai Hung]

Ankur Jain wrote :
============================================================================let me put in this way ,if there's a guy from some XYZ engg. college in some ABC city completing the grads with 85+% but having no clue of j2ee and there's a guy from another college with not so great % but is an SCBCD . who,do you guys think, is more suitable for java related job.?
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If the first guy can't show any Java experience, I probably will choose the second one.
However, if there is a person with actual Java work experience against a person with SCBCD, but no work experience. I definitely will pick the one with experience.

Surely, certification implies you studied a lot, but work experience seem to be more important (at least, it happened to me in my job interview).

[Varun Khanna]

Originally posted by Billy Tsai:
how many people has Oracle Certified Master in india?

Equal to the number of crows in Sydney :-)

just kidding ..
Is there a *logical way to know this count?