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outsourcing article on developer.com

 
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I know that you are sick to death of this, but someone else may want to read it
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5. Opinion Piece: The Outsourcing Question
June 4, 2004
Paul Kimmel offers some straightforward discussion and insights on this current
trend,
including some historical perspective, where we are now, possible outcomes, ways
to
protect yourself, and how international outsourcing might unfold.
gamelan article on outsourcing
 
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Sony,whats your opinion? Are you in the favour of outsourcing or against it?
 
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People have been outsourcing forever. I think what is a problem is off-shoring.

Many programmers claim to be libertarians, but I think that around the world, there should be a movement for labor protection laws and rights. You know, we didn't get basic labor protection for free, and neither should we stop looking out for our own interests. It goes further than just the personal fear of losing work, which isn't to be minimized as you get older. It's a race to the bottom without a plan or a vision for the future.

The success of the US and other countries in capitalism is not just about open markets. It's also about copyright laws and other protections where the government does intervene. Labor and environmental laws. Taxes that build public schools, inspects food and drugs, and enforces wage and hours laws.

Offshoring is about losing some of that copyright protection. The courts in other countries don't offer much remedy for people stealing personal information as they do if a US citizen committed the crime. It's also about losing intellectual capital and assets. Making software isn't like assembling shoes. It's about those companies not being here to pay taxes too.

I guess when they release the personal tax information and medical information of the CEOs and try to prosecute under the laws in other countries they'll see what these honor codes means. Everything there is done under an honor code or promise; with the promise that, gee, if they stole your code for another client or customer information, they'd be ruining their business and why would they do that. Hell, they just go on down the street, set up shop under another name, and keep doing business. They can't prosecute the wife dowry burners, what makes you think they'll be able to inforce privacy and copyright laws in these countries? Your medical and tax information at some point will likely be handled there, so everyone has a dog in this fight, and we've only begun to see the downside. This is new territory, it isn't just another overseas shoe factory. And with the danger of terrorism, why our government would allow government data and software to be handled overseas is beyond me.

You know, corporations that that vast capitalism animal make noises about wanting open markets: yet they want protections of governments and special tax breaks for themselves. Someone smart said that corporations want socialism for themselves (tax breaks and government incentives and no risk): capitalism for every other stupid shumck. They have lobbyists in Washington to look after their welfare; why shouldn't we?
 
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Originally posted by Ram Abdullah D'Souza:
Sony,whats your opinion? Are you in the favour of outsourcing or against it?



Hi Cap,
I was out of action over the weekend.

Hmm..I am afraid that I dont really have a well-formed opinion on it. I being in Malaysia, it doesnt affect me either way...although I always have people telling me to take up projects over here in Malaysia, set up a team of programmers to implement it in India, and make heaps of money pity it is not what I want to do.

From a purely business perspective, I think there are some projects that would be genuine candidates for outsourcing, and the number of such projects is likely to increase as the expertise of programmers in places like India goes up and as they get better at communicating with their clients overseas. But at this point in time, there is probabely a high number of projects being outsourced that are not good candidates for it. I think to be able to use outsourcing effectively, you need to set up very clear communication channels, and a very efficient project implementation processes, and there are a lot of people in the industry who are not good at either, and I personally would be on the conservative side if I were to decide whether to outsource a project
[ June 14, 2004: Message edited by: Sonny Gill ]
 
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