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Hello everyone. I am a 29 year old recent graduate of the University of Wisconsin (B.S. Computer Science). I am a SCJP and am almost done with my Sun Certified Java Developer certification. I am planning on moving to Chicago, so naturally I am looking for a job. Any suggestions on where to start? (Not the Chicago part - I mean on starting a career without any work experience on my resume). I look online every day, but I get frustrated when I see the amount of experience/technologies that companies want. ANY advice to point me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
 
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Go into sales.
 
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outsourcing consultant.
 
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Hello,

Now that you have SCJP and SCJD (In progress), try to learn as much of J2EE as you possibly can. For instance learn about JSP, Servlets, XML, JDBC, Design patterns, EJBs and so on. The market is rebounding and J2EE is back in demand or will soon be in demand.

Books that I suggest to get you started are the following:
1) Marty Hall's Core Servlets and JavaServer Pages, Second Edition
http://www.bookpool.com/.x/49mk897d1m/sm/0130092290

You can download a PDF copy of the first edition of Marty Hall's Core Servlets and JavaServer Pages for free at the following URL:
http://pdf.coreservlets.com/

2) Mary Hall's More Servlets and JavaServer Pages
http://www.bookpool.com/.x/49mk897d1m/sm/0130676144

3)O'Reilly Struts

4) O'Reilly Java & XML

5)JDBC API Tutorial by Sun

6) Do a search for Roman's Free EJB PDF book.

Hope this helps you and good luck,
 
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Originally posted by Jesse Torres:
The market is rebounding and J2EE is back in demand or will soon be in demand.



Yeah, I agree. Do not give up. Employers are not as arrogant as they were before.
 
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Good Luck to you! I have been doing all the same and you are not the only one w/the frustrating nothing on your resume senerio. Remember, use those keywords!! Keep up w/your java and J2EE even it is on your own. Recruiters are a good source. Look at it this way, the more people like them that are aware of you the greater of a chance you will end up w/your lucky break.

JiaPei, I hope your right about the J2EE job market. I have still been seeking and seraching. See my thread jr. java/J2EE employment issues.
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Since you've just graduated, you will be eligible for the myriad of graduate programs offered by big firms like Accenture, PWC, KPMG etc.. If you can get into one of these, you'll be able to develop your skillset and experience.

The graduate programs require a good GPA, and a clear demonstration of an aptitude and interest in the work you'll be doing, but they do not require any experience beyond what you did at college.
 
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Check with EDS (http://www.eds.com/usa/index.shtml).
 
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Hey, I'm from University of Wisconsin - Madison, and I was in the same situation that you were in when I graduated. Actually, the semester that I graduated was the semester that the 9/11 incident happened, so I had lost almost all hope in getting a job, but then I got a break and ended up working in Korea as a programmer for 2 years. Now I'm back, and I recently got a job at Accenture in Chicago, so things are picking up for me. Anyways, don't feel too stressed out about your situation, because other people are going through the exact same thing. Just be sure to grab a hold of opportunity when it knocks.
 
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At the moment i'm working in VB, and want to transfer to java.
I spent 2 years training myself to java and got SJCP and SJCD already, But can't any get interview of java postion.

Because the java job market require couple of years commercial experience in j2ee.
I got Jdk experience from the SJCD project, but i don't have J2ee
environment.
I'm wondering How do i get J2ee experience without working with it.

Thanks
 
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Hi !

I got Jdk experience from the SJCD project, but i don't have J2ee
environment. I'm wondering How do i get J2ee experience without working with it.


What about JBoss (www.jboss.org) ? It is free, has gained real commercial success, and you will find plenty of resources on it. Other application servers such as WebLogic (bea.com) and WebSphere (ibm.com) have downloadable evaluation version which last for many mounths (? unlimited ?). You could even try a gamble and try Jonas because it will be Linux-RedHat new official application server, so there should be some market with it. And what about Apache's Geronimo project (apache.org) ? So you have plenty of application servers available for your private training use.

You could perhaps even make a real gamble on emerging markets such as JDO knowledge, it is not yet widespread but probably will overwhelm the market for its virtues (access to any database with concurency with Java syntax only, average 30% reduction costs on projects for getting rid of databases issues), and will really do it if it is adopted by newest J2EE spec to come (under discussion). Appart from Sun's JDORI you could train on the free/community versions of KoDO(www.solarmetric.com) or better LiDO (www.libelis.com) which is its best technically and most successful implementation by far right now. If JDO is adopted relevant knowledge will be much needed, you could do the most of it.

Do not give up anyway, what makes me confident about main advantage of certifications is that recruiters say it proves one can learn by oneself, so learn after your job's hours and keep on progress, reward will be there one day.
 
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