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Is Illinois still the Silicon Prairie?

 
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I came across an old Thread that refers to Illinois / Chicago as the Silicon Prairie. Did such a reference to Illinois die during the Bubble burst or is the reference still valid?

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Silicon Prarie is in Kokomo, Indiana. Used to be, may be still is, they had the worlds largest clean room. You might see if GM or EDS has jobs there. It's not too far from the Windy City.
 
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Old Article that Refers to Chicago, Illinois as Silicon Prairie.
 
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IIRC Chicago is Hog Butcher to the World.
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If it is I don't see it. I mean jobs are listed up the wahzoo on Dice but who is to say anyone is really hiring. Me, well I haven't had a tech job in 3 years but I've gotten work. I'm miserable by the way. Hoping an SCJP can change the tide for me but I doubt it but aside from updating the resume and putting it out there I've got nothing else, and with creditors doing everything but taking hits out on me, nothing to live for.
 
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Originally posted by Matt Kidd:
If it is I don't see it. I mean jobs are listed up the wahzoo on Dice but who is to say anyone is really hiring. Me, well I haven't had a tech job in 3 years but I've gotten work. I'm miserable by the way. Hoping an SCJP can change the tide for me but I doubt it but aside from updating the resume and putting it out there I've got nothing else, and with creditors doing everything but taking hits out on me, nothing to live for.



Are you in the Chicago area? What is your expertise? Don't say that you don't have anything to live for. I am pretty sure that the great members from the JavaRanch, including myself, can give you valuable pointers. Maybe we can help you out with your resume or tell you what path to take. Things are improving.
 
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Originally posted by Jesse Torres:


Are you in the Chicago area? What is your expertise? Don't say that you don't have anything to live for. I am pretty sure that the great members from the JavaRanch, including myself, can give you valuable pointers. Maybe we can help you out with your resume or tell you what path to take. Things are improving.



Thats just it...I don't have an expertise aside from a firm to shaky (due to lack of hands on work) grasp of OOP techniques because after 9 months at a consulting job in 2000-2001 the bubble burst and there was no employment for anyone. Now 3 yrs later I've advanced as far as I can in a job thats the corporate equivalent of working at McDonald's. Sure I can say I can code any language but you need experience to prove it. And even then employers are particular about that as it needs to be project experience. I considered open source but even they want proof of experience.



For what its worth I'm going to be around more as I'm finally serious about my scjp as it seems to be my only means of getting out of this hell hole of a job so if anyone is willing to help me out with my resume I'd appreciate it, I've already bugged my friends enough as it is. And yes I'm actually in Chicago.
 
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Originally posted by Matt Kidd:


Thats just it...I don't have an expertise aside from a firm to shaky (due to lack of hands on work) grasp of OOP techniques because after 9 months at a consulting job in 2000-2001 the bubble burst and there was no employment for anyone. Now 3 yrs later I've advanced as far as I can in a job thats the corporate equivalent of working at McDonald's. Sure I can say I can code any language but you need experience to prove it. And even then employers are particular about that as it needs to be project experience. I considered open source but even they want proof of experience.



For what its worth I'm going to be around more as I'm finally serious about my scjp as it seems to be my only means of getting out of this hell hole of a job so if anyone is willing to help me out with my resume I'd appreciate it, I've already bugged my friends enough as it is. And yes I'm actually in Chicago.




Please send me a copy of your resume so that I can give you some pointers. Also, I can also send you a resume / cover letter packet from my University's Career Center.

Good Luck!
 
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For what its worth I'm going to be around more as I'm finally serious about my scjp as it seems to be my only means of getting out of this hell hole of a job so if anyone is willing to help me out with my resume I'd appreciate it,



Maybe I could save you some anguish. SCJP is not going to help either. Spend the money on lottery tickets.
 
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Originally posted by Homer Phillips:


Maybe I could save you some anguish. SCJP is not going to help either. Spend the money on lottery tickets.



The SCJP alone will not help you. The SCJP, along with other certifications, and job experience will help.
 
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I've got nothing else, and with creditors doing everything but taking hits out on me, nothing to live for.



IMO, your fellow Americans have put you out of work by hiring foreign nationals. I keep asking people but everybody answers politically correctly. I.E. they dodge the question.

Anyway, if your fellow Americans are going to unemploy you by importing foreign nationals, can one collect welfare with a clear conscience?
 
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IMO, your fellow Americans have put you out of work by hiring foreign nationals. I keep asking people but everybody answers politically correctly. I.E. they dodge the question.

Anyway, if your fellow Americans are going to unemploy you by importing foreign nationals, can one collect welfare with a clear conscience?



Please elaborate on the political correctness.
 
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Originally posted by Homer Phillips:


IMO, your fellow Americans have put you out of work by hiring foreign nationals. I keep asking people but everybody answers politically correctly. I.E. they dodge the question.

Anyway, if your fellow Americans are going to unemploy you by importing foreign nationals, can one collect welfare with a clear conscience?



I finally figured out WHY I've never been convinced that the H1-B program threatened me that much. If it was local employers hiring foreign nationals, there should still be ads, but you'd mysteriously never get hired. There simply aren't any ads, and AFAIK, there's no secret underground network that keeps H1-Bs circulating without recourse to advertising or some recruiter admitting to it.

So once again, I have to assume that the work either doesn't exist (questionable) or that it's being done offshore.

As for welfare, things have changed since LBJ. No more goof off forever and buy a Cadillac. The new welfare system is geared to getting you back in the workforce. Even if the job does pay less than welfare itself does. You have a limited amount of time, then the benefits go away.

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Most job posts that I have seen, explicitly require either U.S permanent residence or U.S citizenship. Most explicitly state that no H1B visa applicants will be sponsored.
 
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I know of a couple of behemoth employers around town. I'm willing to bet that if I camp put in front of their facility in the morning at 6 a.m. and count the number of foreign national looking types that go in the door before 9 a.m. the number will be non-trivial.

Political correctness is not speaking the unspoken truth. Some people think it's being nice.

Really I don't tell people I'm going to collect welfare. I tell them I'll be standing around downtown drinking my lunch out of a paper sack. They generally think I need to get some job. They, politically correct, say - honest work.

FDR was next after Hoover wasn't he. That's the 72 years the politicians are talking about. Great Society, New Deal, whatever, four or five years in a row the employment picture has been dim.

When I studied x-bar & r charts there was a point at which one can no longer decide it's a fluke. Maybe that's not fluke, maybe the politically correct term is soft patch.

When and if the debt crisis strikes the US will Tom Joad be reborn?
 
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I am still confused. In what way are people being political correct? Please provide an example? Also, provide an example of how people are not politically correct.

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Originally posted by Matt Kidd:



For what its worth I'm going to be around more as I'm finally serious about my scjp as it seems to be my only means of getting out of this hell hole of a job so if anyone is willing to help me out with my resume I'd appreciate it, I've already bugged my friends enough as it is. And yes I'm actually in Chicago.



Send me a copy of your resume so that I can give you some pointers.

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Originally posted by Homer Phillips:


Maybe I could save you some anguish. SCJP is not going to help either. Spend the money on lottery tickets.



so essentially, like I said, my life is pointless now. I have no in back into the industry and no means to turn around my life. Thanks. *thumbs up*
 
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Originally posted by Jesse Torres:



Please send me a copy of your resume so that I can give you some pointers. Also, I can also send you a resume / cover letter packet from my University's Career Center.

Good Luck!



Email will be sent shortly and I've already got a similar packet from my job's career center.
 
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Originally posted by Jesse Torres:


The SCJP alone will not help you. The SCJP, along with other certifications, and job experience will help.



But you need to take a first step no? are you telling me a SCJP isn't that step? And, like I asked years ago, how does one get job experience when you need experience to get the job? Open source? they want proof of experience too? Personal projects? I doubt any company will respect the work I've done on my own.
 
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Originally posted by Homer Phillips:


IMO, your fellow Americans have put you out of work by hiring foreign nationals. I keep asking people but everybody answers politically correctly. I.E. they dodge the question.

Anyway, if your fellow Americans are going to unemploy you by importing foreign nationals, can one collect welfare with a clear conscience?





This is neither here nor there. While outsourcing has sent jobs overseas, THERE ARE STILL JOBS HERE. Plus you can't collect welfare for not having a job. The two don't correllate. Plus at some point an adult has to take what they can to survive because unemployment, a system that has worked for years and never had a negative connotation, runs out and bills need to be paid.
 
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so essentially, like I said, my life is pointless now.



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