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Originally posted by swami dorai:
I agree to the fact that companies might prefer young guys over the old for development jobs for sure. The young guys could be more productive, work more hours.... i am seeing this at my work place too. I am in my mid 30's and I see guys in 25-28 getting hired a lot.
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Originally posted by Jacquie Barker:
Hello! I'm the author of "Taming the Technology Tidal Wave", which is featured as a JavaRanch promotional title for this week.
To get our discussion going, I'm going to post an excerpt from the introduction to my book ... please feel free to join in the conversation!
Best regards,
Jacquie
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Are you an IT professional? That is, does your career success, if not your very career survival, depend on maintaining leading-edge skills in a particular information technology discipline? If so, and you've been at it for more than just a year or two, you already know all too well how difficult - not to mention stressful - this can be.
As a practicing software engineer since 1978, I've faced the challenge of keeping my skills sharpened for over 25 years. I've had to reinvent myself time and time again, as the technology 'rug' was pulled out from under me. In the process, I've learned a tremendous amount about surviving in a fast-paced IT career.
My goal in writing Taming the Technology Tidal Wave is to share my "lessons learned" with other IT professionals, in the hope that it will make your career journey smoother.
I invite you to visit my website:
http://techtidalwave.com
for information about the entire Technology Tidal Wave series of books and seminars.
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Originally posted by Jesse Torres:
Hello Jacquie Barker,
I am going to order your book from Amazon.com. I am confident that I will enjoy your book since it deals with advice on how to deal with the ever changing IT field. During college, a professor told me that, "the only constant in technology is change."
I do have a question for you. How do you address the older IT worker clich�s? I constantly read articles from various resources, including threads here on JavaRanch, that companies don�t want workers that are over 40 yrs old. The articles state that even if an over 40 yrs of age worker is well versed in the latest technologies, companies will prefer younger workers. Is this true? Is it false? Does it depend?
Thanks,
[ February 08, 2005: Message edited by: Jesse Torres ]
Originally posted by Arun Prasath:
Hi Jacquie,
I have read the introduction of the book from the site.
The General trend is, "As career progresses, Technical skill's importance goes down and management skill's importance goes up".
Does your book entirely give the tips for a Technical Career??
What I see in Indian companies is, people become Team lead, Technical Lead very faster than with those in MNCs. What do you say about this trend?
Originally posted by Alaa Abutabaq:
Hi Jacquie,
I'm a Web developer now for more than 3 years.New technologies storms me. I'm getting tired of that.they are very fast to being changed.
What do you think the next step should be taken? what is the best direction to go? Management,Archeticture...Changing the whole career?
Originally posted by Kobus Prinsloo:
Hi Jacquie
What would be the best way to move from developer to Project Manager?
Does your book cover this process of moving up the "corporate ladder" within IT?
Thanks
Kobus
Originally posted by Gerome Kawa:
Hi Jacquie
Its really good that you have come up with such a book.
I am software developer for 8 years now and I constantly keep on searching the net about shifting gracefully to a new role where I can make use of my already gained IT skills and gain extra business knowledge through which I can reap even better in the future. I believe that the key thing is to get yourself in the iteration of newRole-increasedSalary-gainExtraITAndBusinessSkill-newRole. The key hindrance I am facing is getting a new role where I can gain reusable business knowledge. For example I have worked predominantly as a analyst-developer using different programming languages in different industry sector (Oracle Forms/Reports(Hotel Sector 1yr), AS400(Manufacturing 1 yr), COBOL-DB2(Utility Sector 1yr), Java-J2EE(5 yrs in majorly web-development roles) and I am finding it immensely difficult now to get a stable career. My intention is to get into the Financial Sector where I think there is scope to gain tranferrable business knowledge coupled with increased pay.
I would appreciate if you can give me some advice how I can make this transition at my age of 32.
Thanks
Gerome
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What a wonderful world!
Originally posted by vasu maj:
Welcome Jacquie.
I commend Javaranch for featuring a book which addresses the general quesstions about carrer development in IT industry. It's almost time there is a good discussion about this topic.
Jacuie, what aspects of career devlopmet does your book deal with? Does it talk about
Project Management
Ethics at work place
Long term career goals
Keeping abreast of latest in technology
Thanks,
vasu
RR Kumaran
SCJP 1.4
In fact, I even have a chapter entitled "Climbing DOWN the Corporate Ladder" for folks who've made the transition into management some years ago, but who now long to move back into a technical career track.
One issue with making the switch from a technical to a management career track is that your technical skills quickly get rusty. If you love doing "techie" sorts of things, you may find yourself missing such a role within a few years' time, but then getting back into a technical track is tough. (It took me SIX YEARS to make such a transition!!! )
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Originally posted by Jeroen Wenting:
In the minds of many HR people (and non-IT managers) a programmer is a programmer is a programmer so why not get the cheapest you can?
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
Originally posted by thomas wilson:
Does anyone know any developer/programmer who is at or older than 50 years of age? How about 45+? Jacquie, what would you say about the common saying that no software engineer does software engineering for 20yrs? If that is true, what do you think the reasons are? Assuming a fresh college grad at 21, he/she is most likely to stop at 41? Thank you very much.
Mark Herschberg, author of The Career Toolkit
https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
Originally posted by Pradeep Bhat:
Does the book talk about salary negotiation?
Originally posted by Matt Kidd:
How long can you be out of the IT profession before its too late to get back in? I was lucky enough to get a job right out of school in 2000 but was laid off 9 months later. With the bubble bursting and 9/11 the outlook for a job wasn't good so I took the first thing I could because unemployment was running out. Should I give up (I'd rather not) hope of getting back into IT?
Originally posted by Tim Holloway:
Yes, and when you take that approach on the Internet, it shows to the whole world. My wife and I went through 2 OS's and 3 different web browsers the other day trying to login into Cisco's education web site. The one that finally worked wasn't Windows or IE, either.
And I have no idea what the invisible ActiveX control on the page was supposed to accomplish.
Originally posted by Paul Christian:
This is quite true. Even in my case, i was lately offered a managerial position. I felt the same and was wondering whether my decision to humbly reject it was wrong. Having worked almost 3&1/2 years in php, now i decided to switch to j2ee. Nice to see that the book contains many practical stuff.
[ February 10, 2005: Message edited by: Paul Christian ]
Originally posted by thomas wilson:
Does anyone know any developer/programmer who is at or older than 50 years of age? How about 45+? Jacquie, what would you say about the common saying that no software engineer does software engineering for 20yrs? If that is true, what do you think the reasons are? Assuming a fresh college grad at 21, he/she is most likely to stop at 41? Thank you very much.
[ February 09, 2005: Message edited by: thomas wilson ]
Originally posted by Michael Sullivan:
Jacquie,
Very intersting topic. I have a couple of related questions for you.
1. How do you view IT certifications? I've seen both extremes where company "A" doesn't even consider certs to be useful, and company "B" who will desreguard a technical interview based upon certifications.
2. How do you view advanced degrees? I've recently reviewed a MSCS to find that its very general, and a MS in Software and Information Sytems thats very specific to Java, XML, Oracle, and Oracle Portal. Not so much looking for advice on which degree plan to pursue, but more for how you've seen advanced degrees play out in the IT world.
Thanks, I appreciate the comments!
Originally posted by Michael Sullivan:
Jacquie, one more question: how do you see long term IT careers progressing? I rarely see people stay in strict programmer/analyst roles for long before becoming things like: team lead, architect, middle management etc. Some people just like the technical aspect of IT, and I'm curious if you've witnessed long careers that were technically bound.
Thanks!
[ February 09, 2005: Message edited by: Michael Sullivan ]
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https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
Originally posted by Jacquie Barker:
I strongly advise folks to think long and hard before accepting a management role -- no matter how hard you try, it is tough to remain hands on while also managing, and your skills get rusty quickly.
J.
Originally posted by Linda Pan:
Yes, I know someone who has switched to project management from being a system administrator. She feels she will try it out and also supposedly the salary is higher.
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