Eric LEMAITRE
CNAM IT Engineer, MS/CS (RHCE, RHCX, SCJA, SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA, Net+)
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Mark Herschberg, author of The Career Toolkit
https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
If all these other companies are screwing up and hiring incompetant people, someone be going around hiring the qualified, experienced, albeit slightly more expensive people, and then blowing the competition out of the water with faster development cycles and better quality software.
Mike Gershman
SCJP 1.4, SCWCD in process
Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Mark said:
BTW, the threat of offshoring more US jobs is nonsense. Whatever will be off-shored has been off-shored. The remaining US jobs stayed here for specific reasons.
Kishore
SCJP, blog
"the threat of offshoring more US jobs is nonsense. Whatever will be off-shored has been off-shored. The remaining US jobs stayed here for specific reasons."
I consider this as a surprising remark. You have any details to substantiate that?
Mike Gershman
SCJP 1.4, SCWCD in process
Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Kishore said:
Comprehensive statistics on off-shoring are not being collected by the US government (what a surprise), but I have had some serious discussions with people on the US end and they are in agreement that few major projects are being initiated in the US.
The reasons I have heard for why some work stays in the US:
1. The need to continually evolve the system in close partnership with the user, such as trading floor programming.
2. With small projects, the cost of developing a really bullet-proof spec exceeds the cost savings of contracting the work out.
3. There is little protection of intellectual property, etc., in the global marketplace.
4. The knowledge of a complex existing system resides with people who have no desire to reside in India.
5. National security projects.
6. And, of course, the user-interface roles in an off-shored project must be in the user's country.
I'm not an authority, I'm sure there are other reasons, but as Steven Bell noted, the proportion of off-shored work has stabilized.
So, Kishore, since you like to ask for proof (not a bad rhetorical trick, by the way), what proof do you have that off-shoring has not stabilized?
Kishore
SCJP, blog
Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Mark said:
Our only hope is to get the feds to enforce the laws. This is a work in progress. The resultant domestic demand will restore the abundance of entry level jobs that existed from before 1964 to 2001. Luckily, it doesn't take long for a talented programmer trainee to become productive, so the recovery should be pretty fast.
Kishore
SCJP, blog
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I can give example of IBM, Accenture and Deloitte consulting. They hired 3 times the freshers in India compared to in USA. So, do you want some more numbers???
Mike Gershman
SCJP 1.4, SCWCD in process
Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Our only hope is to get the feds to enforce the laws. This is a work in progress. The resultant domestic demand will restore the abundance of entry level jobs that existed from before 1964 to 2001. Luckily, it doesn't take long for a talented programmer trainee to become productive, so the recovery should be pretty fast.
SCJP 1.4<br />SCWCD 1.3
Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Kishore said:
IBM, Accenture and Deloitte have been committed to offshoring for years. I don't doubt the 3 to 1 ratio, but I don't think it is new news.
However, you could prove your point by showing how new categories of work are being offshored. I have not seen that trend.
Kishore
SCJP, blog
New categories of work often come from new fields. My example for this is: funding provided to Indian Nanotech, Bioscience startups from bay area based venture capitalists.
Mike Gershman
SCJP 1.4, SCWCD in process
HAS the technology industry - a big and undeniably important slice of the economy - become a business whose best days are behind it?
In other words, is Silicon Valley turning into Detroit?
That is certainly the way things look now to some industry observers. They believe that Silicon Valley is destined to see its competitive stature erode, as new global rivals undercut American technology companies on price and increasingly wrest the lead from the United States in innovation.
Originally posted by Mark Herschberg:
You know, everyone keeps complaining how companies are hiring incompetant people to produce low quality work. The great thing about the US is that anyone can start a business with a couple of hours of prep time (maybe a couple of days if you want to get all the legal stuff done right, at the start). If all these other companies are screwing up and hiring incompetant people, someone be going around hiring the qualified, experienced, albeit slightly more expensive people, and then blowing the competition out of the water with faster development cycles and better quality software. As for me, I prefer gloating to whining.
--Mark
The secret of how to be miserable is to constantly expect things are going to happen the way that they are "supposed" to happen.
You can have faith, which carries the understanding that you may be disappointed. Then there's being a willfully-blind idiot, which virtually guarantees it.
Originally posted by Tim Holloway:
The quickest way to make me scream is start a sentence with "All you have to do ..."
Sure you can do the paperwork to start a business in an afternoon. But even a pizzaria requires more than that. Since you never seem to mention co-operative efforts, I'm presuming you're going to have to get ahold of enough cash to pay for staff, premises and equipment, invest the time to design and develop a product, spend more time money and effort on marketing it, spend more on customer support (for many products anyway) and so forth. And, of course, if you want premium employees, expect to pay premium prices.
Then you can worry about whether your efforts will be brought to naught going against established competitors who probably have the advantages of an established customer base and funding. And to top it all off, 2 out of 3 businesses fail within the first 3 years. Even some of the most successful entrepreneurs around can claim more failures than successes - they just keep failing time after time until an attempt succeeds.
Mark Herschberg, author of The Career Toolkit
https://www.thecareertoolkitbook.com/
Originally posted by Tim Holloway:
And to top it all off, 2 out of 3 businesses fail within the first 3 years.
Originally posted by Mike Gershman:
Kishore said:
IBM, Accenture and Deloitte have been committed to offshoring for years. I don't doubt the 3 to 1 ratio, but I don't think it is new news.
However, you could prove your point by showing how new categories of work are being offshored. I have not seen that trend.
Kishore
SCJP, blog
Eric LEMAITRE
CNAM IT Engineer, MS/CS (RHCE, RHCX, SCJA, SCJP, SCJD, SCWCD, SCBCD, SCEA, Net+)
Free Online Tutorials: http://www.free-tutorials-online.net/
Originally posted by Eric Lemaitre:
This is the real risk on long term. The most visible example of such excess to me is US health system, which is becoming unaffordable to too many people (we heard in Europe some 30% of population), and looks like a real prime importance political concern.
Best regards.
Kishore
SCJP, blog
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