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I work for a sweat shop. We work pretty hard generally speaking. I am always given more work than I have agreed to take upon myself. My estimates are regulary changed by my boss to be lower than what I promised. I have been handling it pretty well (I just stay focused on work and try not to work weekends.) But lately it has been getting worse. Time to look for job again? There is no hope of having any career either because all programmers are experienced and no senior positions are available. There is no real team structure. But then when does this end? Is this something that I need to seriously consider?
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Prema,

How much IT experience you have?
 
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12 years
 
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Changing the employer is the best option I think.From your previous threads I can recall that you are in USA with Green Card(Permanent residentship).General persption is that only H1-Bs are exploited by employers where as others recieve royal treatment.So my question is why do you allow yourself to get exploited by employer(despite of having permanent residentship)
 
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Thats why I returned to India. Atleast there is a team structure and senior positions to look forward to.

Originally posted by Prema Chakravarthy:
I work for a sweat shop. We work pretty hard generally speaking. I am always given more work than I have agreed to take upon myself. My estimates are regulary changed by my boss to be lower than what I promised. I have been handling it pretty well (I just stay focused on work and try not to work weekends.) But lately it has been getting worse. Time to look for job again? There is no hope of having any career either because all programmers are experienced and no senior positions are available. There is no real team structure. But then when does this end? Is this something that I need to seriously consider?
Thanks,
Prema

 
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Changing the employer is the best option I think.
Nope....its pretty much the same story everywhere, might be lighter in terms of work load, but no career growth.

From your previous threads I can recall that you are in USA with Green Card(Permanent residentship).General persption is that only H1-Bs are exploited by employers where as others recieve royal treatment.
Thats Mike Gersham's perception
H1Bs are not exploited.

So my question is why do you allow yourself to get exploited by employer(despite of having permanent residentship)
First of all, there is no exploitation. Its just bcuz of the state of the economy that smaller teams have to do bigger jobs in lesser time.
 
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Originally posted by soniya saxena:
H1Bs are not exploited.



Anyone can be exploited if they let themselves be.

If you assume that things are bad everywhere and let yourself get stuck in a position where you are consistently overworked and undermined by colleagues, then it's a bad situation and needs to be eliminated.

Cheers!

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Sonia is right. It is like that in most software shops.
I am ready to move on with my life, I will find out what my options are with an MBA. This programmer job won't take me anywhere.
 
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Come over to Australia,
Work culture is great. Life style is even better.
You can excel in your line as well as do all the small things u ever wanted.
 
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Originally posted by Prema Chakravarthy:
Sonia is right. It is like that in most software shops.
I am ready to move on with my life, I will find out what my options are with an MBA. This programmer job won't take me anywhere.



Most junior positions for new MBA's make programming look like a walk in the park. They get high pay, but the pressure and hours are deadly, literally.
 
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Peter,
How do you know that?
 
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Excellent, right way to go. I have been thinking the same way too

Originally posted by Prema Chakravarthy:
Sonia is right. It is like that in most software shops.
I am ready to move on with my life, I will find out what my options are with an MBA. This programmer job won't take me anywhere.

 
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Hi Ajay,

CAn you pls tell me the opportunities for the Sales person in Australia, I'm an MBA holder with 4years of experience in Marketing and sales.
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Come over to Australia,
Work culture is great. Life style is even better.
You can excel in your line as well as do all the small things u ever wanted
 
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Programming jobs are great as fresh-out-of-school starting jobs. But after a while, there is no real growth not to mention how easy it has become to do software. I don't find it all that challenging anymore. I plan to stick with my job until I and my husband have a baby and then quit and go for MBA fulltime. The point is I am not complaining about working hard, I have worked hard all my life. I expect something back for my hardwork and I am not seeing that ROI where I am in my career. I am excited just thinking about top ten management schools in the USA, this will certainly give me something to look forward to. I will have no trouble getting into the school I wanted and getting a scholarship with my good grades in B.S and M.S. compsci.
 
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I thought about doing the MBA path for awhile myself.

Then I switched to a new company and things have only gotten progressively better for me over the course of the past two years.

The problem is that most places that have IT departments that are not also IT companies really don't have much of a career path. Their management is often staffed by non-IT people and developers work with little or no hope of advancement. If there is such a thing as an architect or lead developer positions, they are usually hired from outside the company rather than promoted from within.

I switched over to a company that does mostly IT consulting, and now I have an opportunity to become an architect or a project manager within the next 1 to 3 years. I have moved up to software design, I have lots of training opportunities, and I am constantly being exposed to new technologies and challenges (ie: whole lotta resume building going on).

My advice is that if you like being a technologist of any sort, don't make a career out of a non-IT company, or at the very least work at a non-IT company that requires a huge IT department. Otherwise, you're just a cog in the machine to them.
 
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Rob,
That is the funny part- I do work at a e-commerce shop, we are a software shop. As a matter of fact in the 12 years of my career, I made it a point to only work for companies that have a software product of some sort.
 
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Thats Mike Gersham's perception


At least, please spell my name correctly.
[ May 13, 2005: Message edited by: Mike Gershman ]
 
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How did you assume it was you I was speaking about

Just kidding, of course, it has to be you

Next time around, I will be sure to spell your name right :roll:

Originally posted by Mike Gershman:

At least, please spell my name correctly.

[ May 13, 2005: Message edited by: Mike Gershman ]

 
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yup, me too was speaking about pure IT companies.

Originally posted by Prema Chakravarthy:
Rob,
That is the funny part- I do work at a e-commerce shop, we are a software shop. As a matter of fact in the 12 years of my career, I made it a point to only work for companies that have a software product of some sort.

 
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This gets more interesting. A QA manager job opened up not too long ago. I am not sure if I should apply for it. Will this be a step down? In most companies QA is not seen as a highly skilled/technical group. But I was considering it because the group is quite large and it will give me some management experience. The pay might be better too. What about project/product management type of jobs?
 
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Originally posted by Anu Raj:

CAn you pls tell me the opportunities for the Sales person in Australia, I'm an MBA holder with 4years of experience in Marketing and sales.

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Sorry donno much about Sales Side of things. but definitly for most jobs here they need ppl who are specialized in their fields so i guess with your exp u should be fine. the next thing ppl look for is strong communication skills.
I suggest you visit seek.com.au or mycareer.com.au , have a scan through the matching job desc. next call the consultants and findout if they provide work permits. then take it from there.
the other way to go about it is apply for a permanent residence it is a long process but once u have it then u can initially start of with any job then look for your area of interest.
Cheers
 
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