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Say you've researched that your skills and experience are worth 85k on the market and for whatever reason your current employer is paying you only 70k, would you lie about your current salary knowing that nobody is going to give a 15k raise?

How can one break the cycle of forever being out of sync with your market worth because you made the mistake of staying in a much lower paying job for a few years. Opinions?
 
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Thanks I changed it
 
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I got 18K and later 13K raise.. So I think it is possible. (depends on how much they need you)
Your new employer may ask for pay stub if they suspect you are lying (happens very rarely).

3 years ago, I needed at least 20K raise, I knew I was worth it, so when asked about salary I would never tell base salary, and would give my yearly income number that was base salary+income from freelance work. I would explain that now I wouldn't have time for freelance, so I want my base salary to cover it.
 
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Originally posted by java whz:
Say you've researched that your skills and experience are worth 85k on the market and for whatever reason your current employer is paying you only 70k, would you lie about your current salary knowing that nobody is going to give a 15k raise?




First, never lie. There's no value to doing so and it cheapens your moral fiber.

Second, what business is it of your future employer what you made in the past? See this thread.

If the market pays $85k for your skills, you need to learn to convince the employer that you're worth $85k. Simplying saying "this is what someone else paid me" is a poor excuse from either side of the table.

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I used to pay about $0.50USD for a gallon of gas. Gas hasn't gotten significantly better over time, why did the price go up?
 
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He who mentions money first, loses the negotiation. When they ask what you make, say something like, "well, I'm fortunate in that money isn't my first consideration- actually, I'm looking for a company I can grow with and blah, blah. But since you've mentioned it, how much have you budgeted for the position?" I just got a 15,000 raise myself, and that's how I answered the question. I think they were worried that that figure would be too low for me. (I was really underpaid).

I've never had to take it any further than that, myself. But, really, the only people who are going to truly insist on a figure are recruiters. With them, you just have to tell them what you make. Or if your far under-employed, you might want to tell them what you're worth, instead.

If an employer asks you for a pay stub, you probably wouldn't like working for them, anyway. I wouldn't even do that for a recruiter. You should run by Barnes and Nobles and get you a book about negotiation.
 
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When my husband wanted to change jobs, he told the new company's HR folks very frankly, that he was not being paid what he would have liked at his current position, and that he was worth much more (I think he even named a range), and the new company can ascertain it during the interview process.
 
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