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Hi All,
I am a regular visitor to the jobs discussion forum.While most of the discussions are healthy queries regarding information about a particular company's work culture, there is a distinct trend emerging in the posts.

A lot of my Indian ranch mates are posting queries about how to find jobs in the US/H1-B even by illeagal means.These kind of questions could cause most of the reader's have a wrong impression about the Indian community.

Especially hurt, are people who have chosen the hard way to get to the US through Universities,those who are on a H1-B through legal means,or those working across the globe legally.Some of us have had to go through a lot of sacrifices to get to where we are in our careers without resorting to fraudulant means.

Not only do these kind of posts hurt such individuals like me but they can also cause people to club all Indian companies together.

I would request the moderators to remove such posts and members not to answer such posts.

My intent is not to try to police ,but to protect the credibility of honest guys.

Thanks.
 
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You're right. There are many good Indian people working around the globe but those aren't typically the type who need to come into forums like this asking how they can get a visa for XXX (fill your country).
If they were good enough they could find a job with a company who'd then send them abroad with all the required paperwork taken care of by that company after all...
 
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Sorry I can�t understand the problem/ illegality in proactively trying to get a visa of a country of choice. If someone want to migrate to any country on the basis of employment then what�s wrong in asking question in this Jobs related forum about how to go about it ? e.g. countries like UK/ Australia have a program where an alien can apply for visa on the basis their experience/ qualification (in UK its HSMP) arrive in that country "legally" and then search for jobs..
I don't think anybody's asking contact numbers for companies who "smuggle" people in any country .. ?
People will go where there are opportunities.. where chances of their dream materializing are high.. and that�s the reason US is a popular choice.. and if someone's asking how to get into US on the basis of employment (read H1B) what is illegal?
 
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I have not seen any posts of people asking for help with illegal activities. I have seen people ask questions and sometimes learn that it is not possible or legal to do so, but we want to encourage people to ask questions.

If you notice any posting which suggests that someone is intending to do something illegal, please bring it to our attention. Remember, we are not lawyers or law enforcement, so we won't be able to easily distinguish grey areas.

--Mark
 
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Mark, I have seen posts where members discuss companies that get money from candidates to process their H1B. While this is not illegal or criminal, I would think this is not in accordance with the intentions of the H1B programme. Guess that would make it fall into the grey areas you had mentioned.

But I get the point that Ab Parashar has made, and I would agree with him.
 
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Kayal,

There is a difference between someone on the board trying to do something illegal, and asking about a company which may do/does something illegal. The latter should very much be discussed. If you can't openly talk about it, people may work for those companies not knowing that it is illegal.

--Mark
[ June 15, 2005: Message edited by: Mark Herschberg ]
 
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Yeah, I guess you are right.
 
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Jogi, someone asking how to get an H1B without a company that'll employ them once they get into the USA either is asking for something that's illegal (as H1B is only meant for people holding a job, in fact the visa becomes invalid when the person looses his employment with the sponsoring company and must show he's drawing his income from that company and no other).
Given prior discussion here he can know that.

If he'd taken the trouble to explore the legal ways to get into the US to work there (which simply means contacting his nearest US embassy or consulate and asking, those people can tell you everything) he'd know that.

Therefore the only conclusion I can draw about such questions is that they want to get into the US through illegal means by abusing the visa system.

Similar conditions apply to work permits and visa issued for most countries.
 
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Jeron,

You are saying.

�Jogi, someone asking how to get an H1B without a company that'll employ them once they get into the USA either is asking for something that's illegal�

Again how can �asking� be illegal� may be s/he does not know its not legal. Then this forum should educate her/him.. rather than banning the question.. You are saying that �Given prior discussion here he can know that and also If he'd taken the trouble to explore the legal ways to get into the US to work there (which simply means contacting his nearest US embassy or consulate and asking, those people can tell you everything) he'd know that.�.. may be s/he is new member or may be s/he is ignorant.. or may be asking a question on friendly javaranch is much more convenient than to keep on calling US consulate.. but that doesn�t give enough evidence to conclude that s/he is doing illegal thing..
Again my point is if someone wants to work in any country and is trying to find out ways by which s/he can get the appropriate visa.. then this forum should help her /him in gathering the information.. if certain ways are not legal then s/he should be told that its not legal.. the least we can do is not to ban the such posts..

Btw you are saying �in fact the visa becomes invalid when the person looses his employment with the sponsoring company� In fact you become �out of status� alien in US. And there are provisions by which you can get �adjustment of status� from INS.. its little different than invalid visa�

Jogi
 
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As the purpose of JavaRanch is educational, we encourage such questions here. It would be a shame if people became afraid to ask questions because the answer might be something illegal--or because people may respond in a hostile way.

Perhaps he could have searched this forum for answers, but UBB's search function isn't it's strength. And really, by that logic, many questions here should not be asked but instead should be searched. Unlike most of the other forums, the subject matter of Job Discussion changes frequently. This is why we welcome repeat discussions of many topics.

--Mark
 
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Some times we may not know if some thing is illegal. Atleast by raising questions we will know what is illegal and what is legal. It gives chance to other members too to know what is what.

I dont think nothing wrong asking questions about on legal and illegal activities. The main intention of every one who is asking questions is just to know. What is there to hurt some one's feelings.
 
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